Originally posted by snoopdogg
Cyclops stated iirc. that Logan was berzerker.Also, the only reason Colossus feared Logan's claws was because the only time he came into contact with them he was mincontrolled and don't remember the whole deal.
they remember what happen, and if he really was immune to them why would wolverine think he could cut him? why would no one tell colossus? why would colossus repeatedly think he can be cut by them and why would everyone elses believe then can?
Originally posted by Starscream M
so then the fact that colossus assumes logan can cut him also means jack diddly squat
What's with the debate on whether or not Wolverine can cut Colossus? 😬
The time his tried to cut him, he failed. End of story.
The argument is that because Colossus has shown fear of his claws we should doubt the time his armor has gone against Adamantium and succeeded?
What Colossus thinks doesn't mean diddly squat in my opinion. I've also seen Colossus show fear towards Cyclops optic blasts because he thinks they'll melt him or something along those lines and they are just concussive force.....
I've also seen Colossus not show any fear in regards to the claws before as well.
Baseless argument in my opinion.
Adamantium Sai's or not, Elektra is shown how a real Russian treats a lady who tries to act up. It wouldn't be pretty.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Cyclops stated iirc. that Logan was berzerker.Also, the only reason Colossus feared Logan's claws was because the only time he came into contact with them he was mincontrolled and don't remember the whole deal.
Piotr was afraid of adamantium claws on different occasions, too...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's with the debate on whether or not Wolverine can cut Colossus? 😬The time his tried to cut him, he failed. End of story.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The argument is that because Colossus has shown fear of his claws we should doubt the time his armor has gone against Adamantium and succeeded?What Colossus thinks doesn't mean diddly squat in my opinion. I've also seen Colossus show fear towards Cyclops optic blasts because he thinks they'll melt him or something along those lines and they are just concussive force.....
I've also seen Colossus not show any fear in regards to the claws before as well.
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really well in my opinion what the author states, a long with constently belive wolverine can cut him and wolverine believeing he can cut colossus is more then enough evidences to suggest that he can stabb colossus. I think there evidences on both sides of the arguement and that it not as clear cut as many believe.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Piotr was afraid of adamantium claws on different occasions, too...
^That's his point from what I can decipher from that statement. His never consciously gone against the Adamantium claws, and come out unscathed. Hence why he would fear them. He doesn't remember that they can't cut him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's with the debate on whether or not Wolverine can cut Colossus? 😬The time his tried to cut him, he failed. End of story.
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Maybe if you don't READ.
The only time he tried to cut him, he succeeded. He scored Colossus' armor.
Now if there was some narrative that stated Wolverine tried his hardest, and that's all he could muster you'd have an argument. That isn't the case.
We've all seen that Wolverine doesn't just slice and dice everything he hits with a glancing blow, this goes for metals, armor, and even regular human flesh. I suppose he tried his hardest to cut and failed to cut Daredevil and Punisher too heh?
yeah, NO.
Like Hammer said, it can be argued either way at this point but what we DO know for sure is that Wolverine thinks he can cut him and Colossus thinks he can cut him too..... To the bone. 😐
No need for willful ignorance.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^That's his point from what I can decipher from that statement. His never consciously gone against the Adamantium claws, and come out unscathed. Hence why he would fear them. He doesn't remember that they can't cut him.
Ah, I read that wrong.
Still, IMO that was just a glancing shot. Wolverine's cut so many immensely durable beings, I don't think he'd have a problem with Piotr, honestly.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Here the problem though, he did cut him. It even stated that colossus armor was no match for wolverine adamatium claws. The problem is the art depiction dident show much damage, but then again that issue dident show blood or really even uniform being messed up when they should have, which people over look. then there the fact that the attack was a simply slash not stabb.
No match to what extent? They never said to what extent and people are basing it off what they saw on that panel.
If by your own recognition they barely did any damage, all he could muster was a shallow scratch or so, then that isn't going to do diddly to stop Colossus.
The writer said, that organic steel was no match for Adamantium but he also said before that sparks raked as Wolverine tried to attack Colossus. No damage was shown. The only statement in regards of how much damage Wolverine was actually doing was that sparks flew.
Hence, why people come to the conclusion, that no, Wolverine did not, and could not, cut Colossus.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
ecpt the time it went against the armor it did succeed and was stated on pannel to be no mathc for the adamatium claws.
Succeed? To what extent? If all he did was make sparks fly, then at best, Wolverine did some light scratches.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
really well in my opinion what the author states, a long with constently belive wolverine can cut him and wolverine believeing he can cut colossus is more then enough evidences to suggest that he can stabb colossus. I think there evidences on both sides of the arguement and that it not as clear cut as many believe.
His constantly believe he can be cut by Wolverine as he did not experience the only real event of whether or not Wolverine can cut him in any significant way consciously as far as I recall is understandable. Perfectly understandable. Like I said, Colossus believing Wolverine can do any serious damage, might be his own conclusion mentally, but when they interacted physically. It showed otherwise.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah, I read that wrong.Still, IMO that was just a glancing shot. Wolverine's cut so many immensely durable beings, I don't think he'd have a problem with Piotr, honestly.
Meh. Didn't he fail to cut Hulk and then it was retconed? Now they have Wolverine cut almost anything, because his the Wolverine.
God, please let Thor shit stomp Wolverine. His fan boys would have heart attacks and fits of rage.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No match to what extent? They never said to what extent and people are basing it off what they saw on that panel.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If by your own recognition they barely did any damage, all he could muster was a shallow scratch or so, then that isn't going to do diddly to stop Colossus. .
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The writer said, that organic steel was no match for Adamantium but he also said before that sparks raked as Wolverine tried to attack Colossus. No damage was shown. The only statement in regards of how much damage Wolverine was actually doing was that sparks flew.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hence, why people come to the conclusion, that no, Wolverine did not, and could not, cut Colossus.
writer>>>>artist depiction.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSucceed? To what extent? If all he did was make sparks fly, then at best, Wolverine did some light scratches.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHis constantly believe he can be cut by Wolverine as he did not experience the only real event of whether or not Wolverine can cut him in any significant way consciously as far as I recall is understandable. Perfectly understandable. Like I said, Colossus believing Wolverine can do any serious damage, might be his own conclusion mentally, but when they interacted physically. It showed otherwise.
Aside from possibly blinding Colossus what could Elektra actually do to stop him if she had the strength to penetrate Colossus?
I think that technically, nothing much is truly a match for Wolverine's claws but he just doesn't have the strength to do maximum damage. Granted, Wolverine believes he can cut everything! 😄
Sai's would be better for poking holes at things instead of slicing limbs off and Colosssus tranforms into a solid mass of metal, IIRC. So she won't be poking him and he bleeds out. It'll probably be more like what happened when Ult Wolvy cut out Ult Col's heart.
She'll be in too close, and he'll rip her in half.