Shuma vs the Growing Gauntlet!

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure what to think tbh. i don't think there is any way to directly compare odin and crom to get a gauge on power. i think there was a what if where crom stripped mjolnir of power. that would certainly be an indication that the writer of that book likely believed crom>odin, but that's just a what if. 😬

No he did'nt strip Mjolnir of his powers! He simple was able to overcome the Encantment to carry to hammer & such! He then buried it in the earth & was later retrived...

Crom & Odin shhould be roughly equal, that shows that Shuma is also on highend skyfather level also...

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He asked for proof without it your just speculating to support your own opionion.

Shuma and Crom are greater than Odin. Shuma ruled the Earth. WHat other Skyfather ever did that.

i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just looking for proof because it sounds like crom and shuma are somewhere around the same level. maybe? if that IS true, then gauging crom's power would be very helpful to finaly pinning down shuma's level.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure what to think tbh. i don't think there is any way to directly compare odin and crom to get a gauge on power. i think there was a what if where crom stripped mjolnir of power. that would certainly be an indication that the writer of that book likely believed crom>odin, but that's just a what if. 😬

there's been a pretty large disparity of thoughts in this thread.

would most agree that crom is ROUGHLY equal to shuma? or is shuma definitely greater than crom? of vice versa? anyone have scans as proof or is anyone out there (a conan fan would be GREAT!) certain about any of these?? 😕

In his prime I'd say Crom>Odin. Unlike Odin, Crom was empowered by belief in him. He was mighty above all others in his pantheon at one point so he had legions upon legions of followers.

Is Crom more powerful than Shuma? At the level I mentioned above I would say he was. He was able to defeat Shuma and stuff him under a mountain for a long, long time.

Well, Crom is by definition a skyfather, but he lacks feats to be placed above Odin. As for him being able to trap Shuma, there are a couple of caveats. The first is that trapping Shuma isn't necessarily evidence that Crom is above Shuma, just that Crom had the right type of knowledge -- when Karnak beat Ultron, it certainly wasn't because Karnak > Ultron, but because of Karnak's own unique powerset and knowledge. It is even debateable if banishment should even work here.

The second caveat is that Shuma is at full power here, and the only time he's been seen at FP it took a fully-prepped Strange's sacrifice (becoming Shuma) to stop him, and that is only after Strange absorbed certain forms of dark magic that allowed him to challenge Shuma.

Using Dormammu as a parallel, Dormammu hasn't been beaten by Strange outside of banishment/trickery either. In a battle between Odin and Dormammu (order vs. chaos), Odin flat-out stated he could not beat Dormammu, and Thor/Sif had to go to the dark dimension to give Odin a better chance of stalemating the battle. That was Dormammu when weakened outside the Dark Dimension, too.

Makes it to 10, IMO (and I have read all of Shuma's appearances save 1)

I don't know, Mike. Shuma doesn't strike me as the type to fall for the same trick twice, and I don't think FP Doc = FP Shuma. He'd probably finish him off fast so as not to suffer a similar defeat. My opinion, anyway.

😆 I always knew there was a reason I liked Shuma in Marvel fighting games. Lovecraft for the win.

The Doctor???? You are talking about Dr. Who at #10? You know the DR. is a bad MF...I didnt even see him on the list before.

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In a growing gauntlet, I don't see him making it past 13.

I'm thinking about #13, as well.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Shuma and Crom are greater than Odin. Shuma ruled the Earth. WHat other Skyfather ever did that.

I can name Doom but he's no skyfather. How impressive is it really when you're the only big fish in the pond? With the assortment of high end gods, cosmic beings, magic users, reality warpers, superpowered mutants and such running around now, it would be a more impressive feat if Shuma did that today.

If we're talking billions of years ago, I'm guessing even someone like a Green Lantern could accomplish such a feat.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
I can name Doom but he's no skyfather. How impressive is it really when you're the only big fish in the pond? With the assortment of high end gods, cosmic beings, magic users, reality warpers, superpowered mutants and such running around now, it would be a more impressive feat if Shuma did that today.

If we're talking billions of years ago, I'm guessing even someone like a Green Lantern could accomplish such a feat.

oooooo . . . kvd laying down the smack. nice. 🙂

i think thanos has the resources to do it if he uses the universe and all its inanimate objects to his advantage. he is MORE Than knowledgeable and resourceful to do this on his own given TIME.

he has become more than the gauntlet and shuma together could defeat. ie, cosmic cube, infinity guantlet, Heart of the infinte/universe...

i'm sure he could come up with something, unless it was a spontaneous unplanned battle where he couldnt use anything but his own power. if that is the case i still dont think we can say that shuma could take odin, or surtur with the twilight sword. he hasnt shown that kind of power in his appearances to say he can flat out do it...

Originally posted by KillAll
i'm sure he could come up with something, unless it was a spontaneous unplanned battle where he couldnt use anything but his own power.

that is exactly the case.

if that is the case i still dont think we can say that shuma could take odin, or surtur with the twilight sword. he hasnt shown that kind of power in his appearances to say he can flat out do it...

most seem to think shuma is quite a bit above the simple skyfather level of odin or surtur, though very little proof has been brought to bear. come to think of it, i don't think i've seen a single scan of shuma doing . . . anything. 😬

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Originally posted by leonidas
come to think of it, i don't think i've seen a single scan of shuma doing . . . anything. 😬

He's not unlike Manhattan in that regard, though I do recall him being able to make a "voodoo doll" of the earth and could manipulate the actual planet through it. Not sure how much that counts for, though. 😕

He gets to IB and then stops. I'm certain of this.

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