Okay, in viewing this thread it is clear that many of you have no idea about Shuma-Gorath. 🙄
Shuma clears the gauntlet, In-Betweener does not have the power to overcome him.
Here's a respect thread of his to look at just how powerful he is.
killermovies.com/forums/f98/t477775.htm
Sise-Neg, 31st century sorcerer who merged with the entire universe, destroyed it, and then recreated it into the 616 reality stated that he could not destroy Shuma-Gorath, and Sise-Neg in terms of power is greater than Eternity, Infinity, Death, and Oblivion. If he cannot destroy Shuma, no well in hell is anyone in the gauntlet defeating Shuma-Gorath.
Servants of Shuma-Gorath include The Living Buddha, the demon Sligguth and his priestess Ebora, N'gabthoth (a powerful demon), Dagoth (a sea demon), and Kathulos (a living planet). The Vishanti would not even tangle with Shuma-Gorath.
Secondly, those saying Crom>>> Shuma-Gorath are false as well. Crom imprisoned Shuma, he did not do battle with him. Also, it is known that Shuma-Gorath does not have near his full power at his disposal when he is outside of his home dimension. Crom was able to imprison a Shuma-Gorath that was only able to utilize a fraction of his power. (also the canonicity of the events in Conan are questionable because Marvel owns S-G and conan isn't marvel publishing)
Shuma-Gorath is greater than beings like Dormammu, Mephisto, Sataanish, and all the sky-father level beings. It's not even a contest. Scans prove this. Shuma's knowledge approaches omniscience, there are possibly none that are its intellectual equal.
In order for Classic Dr. Strange to have a fighting chance against Shuma-Gorath, he had to absorb Arioch and get all of his power. Arioch is a Chaos Lord who can make himself as powerful as he wishes to be. Also, when Shuma was defeated by plot-device, it was only temporary as he is summoned to Earth later, meaning Shuma-Gorath's energy was reassembled in the Chaos Dimension right after his battle with Strange.
Shuma is the Cthulhu of Marvel. It would be better for those who have no knowledge of the character to not post in a topic about them.
There is a strong supporting from many people (look on comicvine) that Shuma-Gorath with access to his full power is enough to beat a full fed Galactus.
Shuma-Gorath clears the gauntlet easy.
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Originally posted by CortSether
Sise-Neg, 31st century sorcerer who merged with the entire universe, destroyed it, and then recreated it into the 616 reality stated that he could not destroy Shuma-Gorath, and Sise-Neg in terms of power is greater than Eternity, Infinity, Death, and Oblivion. If he cannot destroy Shuma, no well in hell is anyone in the gauntlet defeating Shuma-Gorath.
"I cannot attempt to destroy it, since that would take time-- and in that time, it would leach some of my carefully accumulated energy from me."
Originally posted by CortSether
Servants of Shuma-Gorath include The Living Buddha, the demon Sligguth and his priestess Ebora, N'gabthoth (a powerful demon), Dagoth (a sea demon), and Kathulos (a living planet). The Vishanti would not even tangle with Shuma-Gorath.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathvishanti1.jpg
It is unknown whether Sise-Neg could have even destroyed Shuma Gorath permanently. Sise-Neg stated that if he "attempted" to destroy it, it would leech out his energy and take a lot of time. Sise-Neg did not know for a fact if he could destroy the monster.
Dr. Strange merged with Arioch couldn't permanently destroy Shuma-Gorath as it was called upon later, hinting that S-G's energy just re-manifested itself in its home dimension.My bet it that Shuma-Gorath cannot be permanently destroyed.
Regarding the Vishanti, they had fought him before yes, but the Vishanti had never been capable of defeating Shuma-Gorath. Before Sise-Neg put Shuma in a deep slumber and sent him to another dimension Shuma-Gorath had ruled for eons. Besides Sise-Neg, Dr. Strange is the only one who was able to banish Shuma-Gorath through magic (yet it still didn't physically harm it).
The Vishanti saying they fought the evil of Shuma-Gorath once means that they fought him. But in the fact that Shuma-Gorath was ruling before Sise-Neg banished him, it means they were unsuccessful in trying to defeat it.They would not help Dr. Strange fight Shuma-Gorath because they weren't able to do anything before, and there is no indication that they would be able to harm Shuma-Gorath. Just by feats and on-panel descriptions of Shuma-Gorath, it is much more powerful than the Vishanti.
Originally posted by leonidas
seemed in that scan the vishanti refused to save the earth sphere. that would imply they COULD have, had they chosen to do so.
They COULD have helped against Shuma-Gorath - that doesn't mean they would have overcome him. Based on all the info and history of Shuma-Gorath it has never said in any of the comics that he was driven away by the Vishanti, yet the Vishanti say they combated him before. This would mean they were unsuccessful, as Shuma was ruling earth until Sise-Neg banished him.
Originally posted by CortSether
It is unknown whether Sise-Neg could have even destroyed Shuma Gorath permanently. Sise-Neg stated that if he "attempted" to destroy it, it would leech out his energy and take a lot of time. Sise-Neg did not know for a fact if he could destroy the monster.
Originally posted by CortSether
Dr. Strange merged with Arioch couldn't permanently destroy Shuma-Gorath as it was called upon later, hinting that S-G's energy just re-manifested itself in its home dimension.My bet it that Shuma-Gorath cannot be permanently destroyed.
Originally posted by CortSether
Regarding the Vishanti, they had fought him before yes, but the Vishanti had never been capable of defeating Shuma-Gorath. Before Sise-Neg put Shuma in a deep slumber and sent him to another dimension Shuma-Gorath had ruled for eons. Besides Sise-Neg, Dr. Strange is the only one who was able to banish Shuma-Gorath through magic (yet it still didn't physically harm it).
Originally posted by CortSether
The Vishanti saying they fought the evil of Shuma-Gorath once means that they fought him. But in the fact that Shuma-Gorath was ruling before Sise-Neg banished him, it means they were unsuccessful in trying to defeat it.
Originally posted by CortSether
They would not help Dr. Strange fight Shuma-Gorath because they weren't able to do anything before, and there is no indication that they would be able to harm Shuma-Gorath.
Originally posted by CortSether
Just by feats and on-panel descriptions of Shuma-Gorath, it is much more powerful than the Vishanti.
Originally posted by CortSether
They COULD have helped against Shuma-Gorath - that doesn't mean they would have overcome him. Based on all the info and history of Shuma-Gorath it has never said in any of the comics that he was driven away by the Vishanti, yet the Vishanti say they combated him before. This would mean they were unsuccessful, as Shuma was ruling earth until Sise-Neg banished him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
For all we know, Shuma could have been the one who attacked THEM and was unsuccessful. You are trying to turn an inconclusive statement into a loss for the Vishanti after your initial point of them being scared to fight him was proven false.
If the Vishanti combated Shuma-Gorath to try and get rid of him and he is still around, it is a loss for them. Shuma-Gorath was doing his thing devouring the humans so it is highly unlikely that it was worried about the Vishanti in the least. I don't see how my point of the vishanti not wanting to fight S-G was proven false when they told Strange that they would not help him. Whether they were "scared" or not doesn't mean anything because they still wouldn't tangle with S-G all the same.
Originally posted by King KandyCool, but you understand that that is much, much different from your original point that Sise-Neg could not destroy him. Sise-Neg said he could destroy him if he spent enough time on it. Whether you buy that or not is your choice, but in absolutely no way does it support your initial idea.My initial idea was that Sise-Neg could not destroy Shuma-Gorath permanently. Even through Strange defeated Shuma, it simply re-manifested itself in its home dimension. The same would most likely happen if Sise-Neg had spent a lot of his energy trying to kill it.
[QUOTE]Possibly. Fortunately anything like what Strange did would count as a win as far as this thread goes.
I'm not disputing that. Dr.Strange/Arioch obviously succeeded in his mission of stopping Shuma-Gorath.What I am saying is that it did not succeed in actually killing Shuma-Gorath like he thought.
Likewise, the fact that the Vishanti are still around proves the battle didn't exactly finish them off either. It is unknown who first attacked who, but it ended up not hurting either party. Sounds to me like more of a stalemate.
Most likely it was the Vishanti who attacked Shuma at first, of course it is speculation, but if the Shuma was interested in ruling the Earth, why would it go out of its way to attack the Vishanti? The more likely thing is that the Vishanti tried to get rid of Shuma. Either way, I don't think it's possible for most Gods of their caliber to be completely destroyed in the first place.
This is nonsense. The fight had no conclusive results. If either was much stronger than the other, one of them would be gone now.
Not likely. Shuma-Gorath is at full power in his realm and isn't nearly as strong when he is out of it (though still very powerful), this is known by many. Now while Shuma was out of his realm, the three Vishanti were incapable of getting rid of him - this is when it only has a fraction of its full power. Due to this, and simply based on on-panel discussion and feats, Shuma at full power is more powerful than the Vishanti at his full scale. There are scans where Kaluu even states that Mephisto and Sataanish are like mice in a great temple compared to Shuma's power in one of his lesser realms. Further proof is that after Dr.Strange absorbed the full power of Shuma-Gorath he was unable to go back to Earth without dispersing the power because his mere presence would "destroy galaxies", stated on panel.
It's pretty clear that Shuma-Gorath is greater in power than a great number of cosmic entities, whether you agree with me or not.
