Greater than a plank body does not mean the mass of several planets and we know that didn't control the entire force of the dovin basal, he tricked it into consuming itself.
Did I say that the reason it has the mass of several planets is that it is > a plank body? [I invented that term btw, I'm not sure if it's valid. FYI in case you wanna use it in RL.] The answer is a resounding no.
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The minimum mass for a black hole that would have the properties we've seen is not small in the least. They had a gravitational pull capable of altering starship sized objects' trajectory so quickly that it was a valid propulsion system in combat. This indicates that the pull of gravity must necessarily be much greater than that of a plank body.
A plank body would have a gravitational pull on the surrounding universe equal to its mass. The reason it would be considered a black hole is that it is concentrated in such a small space; in that small space it would be able to entrap light, but it wouldn't be different from a proton [or similarly massed particle] outside of its event horizon. The black holes we see do not exert a gravitational pull equal to that of a plank body- not even close. Their effective fields extend far past their event horizons and show incredible strength.
So: NO
[? I think?]
Aww, no reply for the rest of my last post?
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Did I say that the reason it has the mass of several planets is that it is > a plank body? [I invented that term btw, I'm not sure if it's valid. FYI in case you wanna use it in RL.] The answer is a [b]resounding no.A plank body would have a gravitational pull on the surrounding universe equal to its mass. The reason it would be considered a black hole is that it is concentrated in such a small space; in that small space it would be able to entrap light, but it wouldn't be different from a proton [or similarly massed particle] outside of its event horizon. The black holes we see do not exert a gravitational pull equal to that of a plank body- not even close. Their effective fields extend far past their event horizons and show incredible strength.
So: NO
[? I think?] [/B]
I still cant see that pointing towards the black hole having had mass of several planets. And, Luke didn't overwhelm the black hole, he just somewhat directed it.
"As they brought it close to the vehicle, Luke pushed with the Force. Since the dovin basals were already tugging the void back toward the vehicle, they were not prepared to have the travel accelerated."
And think about this. Can you really justify a mass of several planets just above a planets surface. Everyone around would be pulled. It'd probably rip the planet in half.
I missed it. So we see Luke's ability magnified. Not only is he capable of manipulating the [afore substantiated] massive black hole, he is capable of doing so while directly counteracting the force of the Dovin Basal. This makes the feat even moar pwn.
Can you really justify a mass of several planets just above a planets surface. Everyone around would be pulled. It'd probably rip the planet in half.
Hmm. I hadn't considered this. *thinx*
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The black holes have the gravitational pull to quickly change the directions of starships. Starships are not particularly massive, but it also had the capacity to absorb starships. This indicates that the gravity is > gee forces encountered during acceleration.
But Also: The black hole doesn't have a gravity well as large as a planet. It is as strong (?), but not nearly as large.
Srsly. This doesn't make any sense. Maybe we should PM DDM? He was a physix major for a while, maybe he'll know.
I'm gonna back off this point, even if only to check facts. I think it is obvious that physics can't apply in the SW universe (hello: LIGHTSABERS) and that this might just have to default to a case of soft Sci-Fi magic. (damn.)
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I missed it. So we see Luke's ability magnified. Not only is he capable of manipulating the [afore substantiated] massive black hole, he is capable of doing so while directly counteracting the force of the Dovin Basal. This makes the feat even moar pwn.
Not really. You know the game where you and an opponent stand on one leg and push against each other and the try to pull the other person down? It's basically the same thing. The dovin basal controlled the black hole. Luke just tugged on it in one direction and then when it overcompensated towards the ship he just pushed it a little farther than what the dovin basal was trying to do.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Hmm. I hadn't considered this. *thinx*...
The black holes have the gravitational pull to quickly change the directions of starships. Starships are not particularly massive, but it also had the capacity to absorb starships. This indicates that the gravity is > gee forces encountered during acceleration.
But Also: The black hole doesn't have a gravity well as large as a planet. It is as strong (?), but not nearly as large.
Srsly. This doesn't make any sense. Maybe we should PM DDM? He was a physix major for a while, maybe he'll know.
I'm gonna back off this point, even if only to check facts. I think it is obvious that physics can't apply in the SW universe (hello: LIGHTSABERS) and that this might just have to default to a case of soft Sci-Fi magic. (damn.)
DDM? Who's that?
I'm afraid it might not be possible to get an explanation that doesn't defy the laws of physics, but we can try.
We know that dovin basals dont are not all the same size and that they don't emit just one power micro-black hole. Perhaps the one used as shielding is FAR smaller than ones that would have to be used for propulsion? Still might suck people in from a pretty far distance but might no crack the planet 🙂 Plus it was just one dovin basal, where capital ships has 60, most of which were probably used to much greater extend than near a planet. A Rakamat is just a ground vehicle. The difference between a ISD and a AT-AT.
Daduomon (sp?) who posts in the General, Star Trek, and Manga (and comix?) sections.
You know the game where you and an opponent stand on one leg and push against each other and the try to pull the other person down? It's basically the same thing.
Kyp and corran alone are below caedus by a decent margin. But together I think they have the power to beat caedus for a very slight majority of 6-6.5/10. Caedus is easily in the top 5 strongest sith ever possibly even top 3. But kyp is a top 5 Jedi and corran should be able to make it into the top 10.