Black Bolt stomps in both the first scenario and second. The only thing Havok did was one shot Vulcan beat the crap out of him with ease. Not really impressive seeing as Polaris has one shot him as well, and as well as Gladiator.
Honestly, that fight was one of the worst written crap I've read in a while. Up there with Loeb's Thor vs Rulk debacle. 😘
Originally posted by Enyalus
Agreed. Abbett does some solid stuff, but WoK 6 made me cringe.
When did Vulcan get such an amp and when did Black Bolt get such a downgrade? I mean, a Black Bolt at base can one shot Namor when pissed, yet when taken to a whole new level of angry, he just breaks some of Vulcan's teeth? Black Bolt can overpower Gladiator, and has done so twice, at base, yet Vulcan is choking him? The same Vulcan whose been effortlessly manhandled by Gladiator...
Don't even get me started on the scream. Since when is Black Bolt's scream akin to Banshees. A single word can annihilate half a planet when agitated, yet when pissed to the brink, his scream doesn't even destroy a freaking space ship and incinerate Vulcan?
This is the same Vulcan who gets one shotted by Polaris, Havok, and so on.
That fight was just....
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All because you hate Vulcan lol. The guy who soled the X-Men and The Imperial Guard and the highest complemets from Adam Warlock .
Thats sad, at least you can be happy that he is dead.
P.S Gladiator is at least Silver Surfer level, so Vulcan being one shotted by a guy he wasn't ready for on the level Gladiator is, is to be expected.
Vulcan wins though
Originally posted by Peterlane
All because you hate Vulcan lol. The guy who soled the X-Men and The Imperial Guard and the highest complemets from Adam Warlock .Thats sad, at least you can be happy that he is dead.
P.S Gladiator is at least Silver Surfer level, so Vulcan being one shotted by a guy he wasn't ready for on the level Gladiator is, is to be expected.
Vulcan wins though
I don't hate Vulcan. It was just stupid. I've read every appearance of his, and he just suddenly got bumped up to a new level, while Black Bolt was pissed on.
Solo the X-men? You mean the Vulcan who can take on Cyclops and his daughter as I recall, with his team mates powers, then turns tail into space, once he loses the upgrade, and starts getting his ass handed to him, by Colossus, and meets a team compromised of some one worth note as I recall? The Imperial Guard are a bunch of jobbers and he didn't solo the roster. He beat some cannon fodder. Nice. Then he meets someone who is actually a mid tier and gets his ass handed to him.
It's not sad, it's just realistic. This guy gets one shotted by freaking Polaris.
P.S. That same Gladiator couldn't put Black Bolt down, physically alone, and was being overpowered twice. That was at base. If Black Bolt can take him on physically, and spin him on a loop with his other powers easily, then just by based on your logic, why the hell is Vulcan even on Black Bolt's radar?
Wins against who? Cyclops and the likes? Why not....
He gets one shotted by Polaris who has had a huge bump in power. Polaris one shotted him because he wore a Metal suit. I'm sure if anyone under low-heral level was wearing a metal suit, she would crush them to bits.
Gladiator would beat BB 1 on 1 he is high-hreald level.
Vulcan is on BB level because he can control the enrgies BB controls and is better at it. BB only hope against Vulcan was his scream A>B>C is silly logic here. Vulcan sucked Adam Warlock dry.
The only think in that fight that was kinda ridicoulous was Vulcan's higher durabiltity, but it looked like he was amping himself up with energy anyways. It was a well written fight, and the only reason people hate it is because they detest Vulcan so much that the thought of him even touching BB makes them cringe.
Anyways Havok wins the 1st one but im not sure about the second.
Vulcan is on BB level because he can control the enrgies BB controls and is better at it
Gladiator would beat BB 1 on 1 he is high-hreald level
Originally posted by Peterlane
He gets one shotted by Polaris who has had a huge bump in power. Polaris one shotted him because he wore a Metal suit.
She never got any bump in power. What's your definition of metal? I don't recall that suit as being metal.
Originally posted by Peterlane
Gladiator would beat BB 1 on 1 he is high-hreald level.
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Nice logic. Black Bolt is on that level too by the way. Black Bolt was gaining ground over him, physically at base. Twice. That was where Gladiator shines, and Black Bolt still was holding his ground and gaining ground. Black Bolt left unharmed, while Gladiator was covered in cuts and bruises. The only time he used his other powers his spun Gladiator on a loop.
Originally posted by Peterlane
Vulcan is on BB level because he can control the enrgies BB controls and is better at it.
Prove it. Black Bolt as a toddler, was in full control of his powers. As a freaking new born, he was using matter and energy manipulation, to create freaking toys such as rattles out of the air molecules and so on. He has absolute control of his electron manipulation abilities to the point he could and can manipulate matter and energy. Prove to me, Vulcan has better control than him. That is just baseless. Even in a fight fully of stupidity, Black Bolt was still getting him just fine.
Originally posted by Peterlane
BB only hope against Vulcan was his scream A>B>C is silly logic here. Vulcan sucked Adam Warlock dry.
Black Bolt's only hope isn't his scream. He should beat the crap out of Vulcan just using his plain fists. If he can gain ground on the same Gladiator that freaking stomped Vulcan in two casual hits, then I highly doubt that, that his only chance is his scream.
Originally posted by Peterlane
The only think in that fight that was kinda ridicoulous was Vulcan's higher durabiltity, but it looked like he was amping himself up with energy anyways. It was a well written fight, and the only reason people hate it is because they detest Vulcan so much that the thought of him even touching BB makes them cringe.
That entire fight was ridiculous. When has Vulcan ever shown the knowledge or ability to amp himself physically? I mean like ever. He at best has enhanced durability. Show me where in that fight it indicates Vulcan using his powers to amp himself. At all.
If you think that was a well written fight, then you must also think that Loeb is a genuis when it comes to writing comics.
People detest and cringe at the thought of Vulcan touching Black Bolt because he shouldn't be able to. Period. I've read every single appearance of both of them, and Vulcan should not even show up on Black Bolt's radar.
Originally posted by Peterlane
Anyways Havok wins the 1st one but im not sure about the second.
Havok does not win the first one. He loses both. Black Bolt doesn't need his quasi-sonic voice to win. Throwing in his voice, even just a whisper is unnecessary. A whisper can rip apart continents on the other side of a planet.
Originally posted by Peterlane
Against someone who can absorb whole stars? Explain please. IMO nothing short of a scream could kill Havok. But Havok could one shot him
Absorb entire stars? Where the hell did you get that from? Havok has not even done anything close to that, even once. If by Star your definition is that pyrokinetic lunatic that Vulcan has on his leash, then yes, he has absorbed a Star.
Originally posted by Peterlane
The Hodin destroys planets effortlessly because they are living stars. Havok sapped it dry.Read when Polaris 1 shotted Vulcan, she called him an Idiot for wearing a metal suit.
That Hodin, destroyed entire planets? When. He only appeared shortly, and I don't recall him doing that much destruction. Yes, they are formed in ways such as Stars. Emitting radiation Havok can siphon and so on.
I have the scans from when she attacks him to when they flee. Basically the entire fight. I don't have the whole comic unfortunately because my digital collection is unavailable at the moment, so I can't double check your statement. From what I see, the only thing metal, is his crown, belt and gauntlets, as his costume was bending as he moved. Of course, I am willing to concede that this is a costume made by an interstellar race, and my definition of metal does not fit theirs, so I'll give you that.