Havok vs Blackbolt

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That Hodin, destroyed entire planets? When. He only appeared shortly, and I don't recall him doing that much destruction. Yes, they are formed in ways such as Stars. Emitting radiation Havok can siphon and so on.

I have the scans from when she attacks him to when they flee. Basically the entire fight. I don't have the whole comic unfortunately because my digital collection is unavailable at the moment, so I can't double check your statement. From what I see, the only thing metal, is his crown, belt and gauntlets, as his costume was bending as he moved. Of course, I am willing to concede that this is a costume made by an interstellar race, and my definition of metal does not fit theirs, so I'll give you that.

It destroyed the space port planet they were on with ease.

But anyways this fight isn't about Vulcan its about Havok the strongest Summers brother.

Originally posted by Peterlane
It destroyed the space port planet they were on with ease.

But anyways this fight isn't about Vulcan its about Havok the strongest Summers brother.

Yes, space port planet. So no, he didn't destroy entire planets.

Havok loses.

Gotta run, have a dinner to get too. We will continue this when I have another chance to log back in.

Originally posted by Peterlane
It destroyed the space port planet they were on with ease.

But anyways this fight isn't about Vulcan its about Havok the strongest Summers brother.

Vulcan is the strongest Summers brother, not Havok. Black Bolt rips Havok apart. His whisper is not solar energy and so Havok has no defense against that. Bolt 8/10.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Vulcan is the strongest Summers brother, not Havok. Black Bolt rips Havok apart. His whisper is not solar energy and so Havok has no defense against that. Bolt 8/10.

Havok could counter a whisper with solar energy.

Originally posted by Peterlane
Havok could counter a whisper with solar energy.

lolwut?

That's not how this works.

Havok gets one-shotted.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did Vulcan get such an amp and when did Black Bolt get such a downgrade? I mean, a Black Bolt at base can one shot Namor when pissed, yet when taken to a whole new level of angry, he just breaks some of Vulcan's teeth? Black Bolt can overpower Gladiator, and has done so twice, at base, yet Vulcan is choking him? The same Vulcan whose been effortlessly manhandled by Gladiator...

Don't even get me started on the scream. Since when is Black Bolt's scream akin to Banshees. A single word can annihilate half a planet when agitated, yet when pissed to the brink, his scream doesn't even destroy a freaking space ship and incinerate Vulcan?

This is the same Vulcan who gets one shotted by Polaris, Havok, and so on.

That fight was just....

facepalm

QFT

hmm, havok is being pretty underrated here. havok has generated some pretty uber force fields, and his blasting power is very high. i don't see bb getting a chance at h2h, not with havok unleashing on him. it'd be voice v blast in a quickdraw, and bb would win it, but havok might be able to shield it, at least partially, especially amped as he is in this thread. havok has a definite chance, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, havok is being pretty underrated here. havok has generated some pretty uber force fields, and his blasting power is very high. i don't see bb getting a chance at h2h, not with havok unleashing on him. it'd be voice v blast in a quickdraw, and bb would win it, but havok might be able to shield it, at least partially, especially amped as he is in this thread. havok has a definite chance, imo.

yet he was barely high meta when we fought in the tourney.

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black bolt.

Originally posted by Digi
yet he was barely high meta when we fought in the tourney.

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Yet he absorbs suns, a heral level feat

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Originally posted by Digi
yet he was barely high meta when we fought in the tourney.

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😂

funny how that happens.

Originally posted by Peterlane
Yet he absorbs suns, a heral level feat

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He was being sarcastic. No need for the smug attitude.

Originally posted by Peterlane
Yet he absorbs suns, a heral level feat

🙄

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Originally posted by batdude123
He was being sarcastic. No need for the smug attitude.

I wasn't being smug. Thats why I used the smilie 😮

Everyone that has been mentioned in this thread is being underrated.

Gladiator, being a mid tier, thats funny. Almost all of the people listed in the high herald list doesnt have the feats gladiator has.

Moving planet size meteors. Flying out of a solar system destroying blast without even a scratch on him. On panel statements of him blitzing at light speed. On panel statements of him flying 100 times the speed of light. Planet destroying strength. At least 5 statement of him being physically the most powerful being in the universe (dont agree with this but it being said 5 times, sh**). Being stated 3 times of having near unlimited strength and the list goes on.

Black bolt being listed as a mid tier, where did this come from? Black bolt matter manipulating powers alone puts him in the high herald list. Thats not including what he is physically. Now black bolt it powerful and I agree, he can give almost anyone a fight physically, but him overpowering gladiator, a being with almost limitless potential, that should never happen. I'm not going to underestimate bb though, I agree, he would give anyone on the high herald list a run for there money physically, some I could see him taking but I just cant see him beating glads though.

Havok; you all are taking away from on panel statements. It basically said that havok was a walking star. Thats powerful if you ask me and that gives him more rights to be in the high herald list with that statement alone. Silver surfer tried to absorb a star and almost exploded, havok had no problem doing this and handled all of that energy just fine. That was a good showing for both Vulcan (due to him fighting someone with that much energy) and Havok.

Vulcan; I'm not even going to go here, I'm just going to say this, read up on what marvel comics thinks of Vulcan and you'll see why he survived all that he did during that series.

Originally posted by carver9
Everyone that has been mentioned in this thread is being underrated.

Gladiator, being a mid tier, thats funny. Almost all of the people listed in the high herald list doesnt have the feats gladiator has.

Moving planet size meteors. Flying out of a solar system destroying blast without even a scratch on him. On panel statements of him blitzing at light speed. On panel statements of him flying 100 times the speed of light. Planet destroying strength. At least 5 statement of him being physically the most powerful being in the universe (dont agree with this but it being said 5 times, sh**). Being stated 3 times of having near unlimited strength and the list goes on.

Black bolt being listed as a mid tier, where did this come from? Black bolt matter manipulating powers alone puts him in the high herald list. Thats not including what he is physically. Now black bolt it powerful and I agree, he can give almost anyone a fight physically, but him overpowering gladiator, a being with almost limitless potential, that should never happen. I'm not going to underestimate bb though, I agree, he would give anyone on the high herald list a run for there money physically, some I could see him taking but I just cant see him beating glads though.

Havok; you all are taking away from on panel statements. It basically said that havok was a walking star. Thats powerful if you ask me and that gives him more rights to be in the high herald list with that statement alone. Silver surfer tried to absorb a star and almost exploded, havok had no problem doing this and handled all of that energy just fine. That was a good showing for both Vulcan (due to him fighting someone with that much energy) and Havok.

Vulcan; I'm not even going to go here, I'm just going to say this, read up on what marvel comics thinks of Vulcan and you'll see why he survived all that he did during that series.

I agree with everything you just said.

Originally posted by carver9
Moving planet size meteors. Flying out of a solar system destroying blast without even a scratch on him. On panel statements of him blitzing at light speed. On panel statements of him flying 100 times the speed of light. Planet destroying strength. At least 5 statement of him being physically the most powerful being in the universe (dont agree with this but it being said 5 times, sh**). Being stated 3 times of having near unlimited strength and the list goes on.

He's evidently not the most physically powerful being in the universe, so why even bring it up (you don't even agree with it... actually, you probably do).

Originally posted by carver9
Havok; you all are taking away from on panel statements. It basically said that havok was a walking star. Thats powerful if you ask me and that gives him more rights to be in the high herald list with that statement alone. Silver surfer tried to absorb a star and almost exploded, havok had no problem doing this and handled all of that energy just fine. That was a good showing for both Vulcan (due to him fighting someone with that much energy) and Havok.

Good showing for Vulcan? Both times Havok fought him powered up, Vulcan was never in the fight... and both times Havok had massive amounts of energy coursing through him, visibly, and Vulcan knew this.

And how does absorbing enough energy to make you powerful make you a high herald? He needs a huge power source to go up to these levels... We might as well make Surfer abstract level because he can manipulate the big crunch energies. Sure he can reach high levels, but not on his own.

Originally posted by Blanket
Having trouble with teenage Colossus. Getting KO'ed by gun lazahs. Getting hurt by Gambit. Etc.

He's evidently not the most physically powerful being in the universe, so why even bring it up (you don't even agree with it... actually, you probably do).

Difference is that Surfer tried to absorb all the energy he could from a red giant sun. Havok was siphoning off energy from a blue sun, and absorbed Hodinn... not a full sun, and most certainly not a red giant sun.

Good showing for Vulcan? Both times Havok fought him powered up, Vulcan was never in the fight... and both times Havok had massive amounts of energy coursing through him, visibly, and Vulcan knew this.

And how does absorbing enough energy to make you powerful make you a high herald? He needs a huge power source to go up to these levels... We might as well make Surfer abstract level because he can manipulate the big crunch energies. Sure he can reach high levels, but not on his own.

Lets not use low showing because I'm pretty sure every character on this forum has those. Gladiator has proven to many times of having limitless strength and we was told this numerous of times in a comic.

When did he have trouble with Colossus, if you're referring to Classic colossus, the one back in the days that they called the immovable object. The one back in the days during secret wars that was teamed with the most powerful beings in the universe survived a blast that koed every person out there and was still standing then........

Go to Classic Colossus respect thread and look at his feats, back in the days he was easily a top tier.

Show me Gladiator getting koed by lasers.

I'm not saying that gladiator is the most powerful being in the universe but nova said it, it was recently said during the vulcan war, Cyclops said it, Professor x said it, etc....

I agree with your Havok comment but Havok during that Arc was extremely powerful, along with Vulcan. Both are being underrated if you ask me.

Originally posted by carver9
Lets not use low showing because I'm pretty sure every character on this forum has those. Gladiator has proven to many times of having limitless strength and we was told this numerous of times in a comic.

When did he have trouble with Colossus, if you're referring to Classic colossus, the one back in the days that they called the immovable object. The one back in the days during secret wars that was teamed with the most powerful beings in the universe survived a blast that koed every person out there and was still standing then........

Go to Classic Colossus respect thread and look at his feats, back in the days he was easily a top tier.

Show me Gladiator getting koed by lasers.

I'm not saying that gladiator is the most powerful being in the universe but nova said it, it was recently said during the vulcan war, Cyclops said it, Professor x said it, etc....

I agree with your Havok comment but Havok during that Arc was extremely powerful, along with Vulcan. Both are being underrated if you ask me.

Yet he was weaker then he is now. Point.

If you insist
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/UncannyX-Men-107_14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/UncannyX-Men-107_15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/UncannyX-Men-107_18.jpg

So, doesn't that show how we shouldn't put much support in statements? Since well, you know, he isn't the most powerful anything in the universe.

Maybe, but overrated if you start comparing them to Surfer.