Armed Police

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Armed Police

The police in the United Kingdom are routinely unarmed, whereas in North America and most European countries – as elsewhere – policemen are routinely armed. In countries such as the United States, police arms are commonly cited as links to abuse of power e.g. victimisation of certain ethnic communities, and so there are sometimes calls for a reduction in police reliance on firepower. There are also calls, however, for extending their presence, e.g. using armed air marshals: this is essentially a different debate involving air safety issues etc., although many of the points below may still have some relevance.

Pros
Routinely arming the police is an effective deterrent to criminal behaviour; most countries in Europe and North America routinely arm police officers, in part to deter criminal acts. Armed criminals operate in at least some areas in almost every jurisdiction. Given this, a failure to routinely arm the police gives armed criminals a strong advantage in terms of their ability to threaten and commit violence without any corresponding risk to themselves.

The old-fashioned notions of friendly neighbourhood light policing reflected the aspirations of a different age. As armed violence has increased sharply in parts of the developed world, the police need to redefine their role so that it is a more appropriate response to contemporary problems. There is also a network effect involved in being a state with unarmed police when others have them. The nation may be seen as a “soft touch” compared to other regional nations. This can effectively encourage an importation of criminality.

Routinely armed police reassure law-abiding citizens at a time when gun-related crime is increasing in most European countries and parts of North America. Much public opinion holds that something must be done to tackle this.
People may feel safer when they see armed police, especially if they perceive them as a response to a heightened risk. Thus, for example, police officers at British airports routinely carry sub-machine guns, although there is no evidential pattern to suggest that this high-visibility weaponry offers any situational strategic advantage over a more subtle arming.

Cons
Routinely arming the police causes a spiral of violence. Where the police are not routinely armed, a proportion of criminals will not arm themselves (since, for example, armed robbery often carries a higher sentence than robbery). Once the police are armed, criminals who do not match their capability operate under a strong disadvantage. Therefore, when the police become routinely armed, the criminal world fully arms itself in response.
The mere fact of increased weapons possession (by both police and criminals) will in itself result in higher use, since in circumstances where arms may not be currently used (e.g. a police chase), either side carrying weapons will mean that they consider a shooting option which they did not formerly possess. This effectively reduces the options currently available, for example the police are less likely to use less harmful alternatives such as “stun guns”, CS spray, negotiation, etc.

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Who needs gun when we got this guy?

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This is a difficult one.

I am not for arming the police officers (mostly because I spent a lot of my life in England), however, places where guns are legal to own would be difficult if not impossible as well as dangerous to impose disarmament of officers.

The answer to this question is directly proportional to the level of gun control in a country.

it should depend on the crime level, imo. why carry a tazer in a place where people are walking around with desert eagles? and viseversa.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The answer to this question is directly proportional to the level of gun control in a country.

Please expand on this, greatly. Like, a lot.

Cite your sources, etc.

In UK it is very rare that criminals can get guns because the laws are extremely strict. It is not necessary to be armed for the police to that level, similarly Kevlar is unnecessary. In fact I remember reading the police were actually considering chainmail as the bod armor of choice because it's much more likely to see a criminal with a knife than with a gun.

On "psychology career day" at my school a couple of years ago, the local police sent in a couple of "ambassadors" to explain how our degrees could be used in a career of crime fighting.

These officers were not only armed, but dressed in full bullet proof gear. Regular patrol cop stuff, but sort of completely inappropriate for someone in a university. I asked him if he expected trouble, and said I was shocked he would come armed to something like this, but it has later been explained to me that, as an on duty police officer, he had to have that attire/weapon.

There are times and places where cops with guns are good, and times when they aren't. I'll be honest, its the non-lethal weapons, like tazers, that bother me more. Because they aren't lethal, cops are very quick to use them in situations that really don't require any use of force (source: the RCMP, canada's federal police).

Originally posted by King Kandy
In UK it is very rare that criminals can get guns because the laws are extremely strict. It is not necessary to be armed for the police to that level, similarly Kevlar is unnecessary. In fact I remember reading the police were actually considering chainmail as the bod armor of choice because it's much more likely to see a criminal with a knife than with a gun.

That is not entiraly true. Black market is full of guns, mini machine guns and other things and if you really want one, you can get it without a problem.
However, guns are illegal, so if you mean by not an ordinary person has it legaly, and it is not common, then you're correct.

Originally posted by King Kandy
In UK it is very rare that criminals can get guns because the laws are extremely strict. It is not necessary to be armed for the police to that level, similarly Kevlar is unnecessary. In fact I remember reading the police were actually considering chainmail as the bod armor of choice because it's much more likely to see a criminal with a knife than with a gun.

But, violent crimes per capita and or deaths by violent crimes per capita are a better showing for your point. Those showings don't agree that no guns deter violence and death.

I'm for gun control, if it makes sense. So far, I haven't seen anything that indicates gun control actually prevents violent crimes on a regular basis.

And,if someone in the UK wants a gun bad enough and they aren't an idiot, they can get a gun. Kind of.....makes the odds a little unfair for the police, right?

Here's some perspective for you: I can build my own gun by using the internet. I can make my own gunpowder by using the internet. Hell, I can build my own explosive by using the internet. Just a little time and research. I have the IT know-how to prevent these "searches" from ever being traced back to me with digital forensics. If I wanted a gun, in the UK, I could have one...and no one would know the wiser.

Edit- What she said.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is not entiraly true. Black market is full of guns, mini machine guns and other things and if you really want one, you can get it without a problem.
However, guns are illegal, so if you mean by not an ordinary person has it legaly, and it is not common, then you're correct.

Even if guns were so extremely rare to get a hold of, there is always the option of making one. In a country with no guns execpt in military hands, a ordinary person with a gun is God.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I'm for gun control, if it makes sense. So far, I haven't seen anything that indicates gun control actually prevents violent crimes on a regular basis.

This sentance is confusing. Don't you mean you are against gun control?

Originally posted by dadudemon
In a country with no guns execpt in military hands, a ordinary person with a gun is God.

Really not the issue you imagine it is, else we would have a lot of self-made gods in this country.

Here in the states, gun control is a joke. Even if police didn't carry guns, even if it were made impossible to legally buy a firearm, they would still be around. Black market. IMO guns are a necessary evil.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Really not the issue you imagine it is, else we would have a lot of self-made gods in this country.

That's why it's a hypothetical. 😐

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This sentance is confusing. Don't you mean you are against gun control?

This:

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm for gun control, if it makes sense.

With that, is an implied contrapositive.

"I'm not for control, if it doesn't make sense."

Well, basically.. it simkply doesn't happen. In a country with gun control, there aren't actually many crimes that routinely arming police would help with. Sure, you can relatively esasily get a black market weapon, but that simply never translates to people shotting police dead in the streets.

Illegal weaponry tends to be used in the following ways:

1. Bank robberies (and the like). Unless armed police are there already,. arming them in general wouldn't actually make any difference to this

2. Gang warfare. Ditto.

In both cases, there is a specific unit of armed response officers in the UK that can be quickly dispatched as needed. And during periods of high tension, the Chief Constable for an area can make the decision to arm his officers.

Dispatching armed officers when needed... basically covers 99% of the times when cops actually need to be armed. As for the other 1%, the advantages of NOT carrying guns outwieghs that.

Fact is, gun crime here is very low, gun deaths are extremely low, and police being shot is almost unheard of. So the whole idea of cops carrying guns by default seems a bit silly here.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This:

With that, is an implied contrapositive.

"I'm not for control, if it doesn't make sense."

It got confusing, cos 'gun control' generally means banning of guns. I see what you mean.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, basically.. it simkply doesn't happen. In a country with gun control, there aren't actually many crimes that routinely arming police would help with. Sure, you can relatively esasily get a black market weapon, but that simply never translates to people shotting police dead in the streets.

Illegal weaponry tends to be used in the following ways:

1. Bank robberies. Unless armed police are there already,. arming them in general wouldn;tr actually make any difference to this

2. Gang warfare. Ditto.

In both cases, there is a specific unit of armed respons eofficers in the UK that an be quickly dispatched as needed. And during periods of high tension, the Chief Constable for an area can make the decision to arm his officers.

Dispatching armed officers when needed... basically covers 99% of the times when cops actually need to be armed. As for the other 1%, the advantages of NOT carrying guns outwieghs that.

Fact is, gun crime here is very low, gun deaths are extremely low, and police being shot is almost unheard of. So the whole idea of cops carrying guns by default seems a bit silly here.

If a cop there responds to a call where normally a weapon is needed (tazer, gun, etc) what are they to do? Like if the suspect they are trying to apprehend is all coked up and out of control?