In response to Knows' assertion that NJO Luke is a god:
Lucien
Pretty much. But it does depend from which point of the NJO it is. Vector Prime, still a mortal---The Unifying Force, demi-god.
In response to Knows' assertion that NJO Luke is a god:
Lucien
Pretty much. But it does depend from which point of the NJO it is. Vector Prime, still a mortal---The Unifying Force, demi-god.
U just quoted Lucien as saying Luke was half a god. Very different from what I asked for.
Even then though, he didn't use the word to say luke was unbeatable. If you read Lucien's 2nd and 3rd post after the one you referred to, he admitted Luke was fallible.
Kinda sad to say we had this argument 9 months ago though. Kinda discouraging that we keep coming back to the same subjects...
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This is how I see it?His assertion isn't a general condemnation of Luke's ability, but rather a rebuff to those that exaggerate his status?
My question, Red, is what is an exaggeration of his abilities that is untrue, and who is doing that?
We all admit he is fallible, but we also hold to the fact that he is the most powerful figure in the mythos. Where is the exaggeration?
TJ just wasn't paying attention.
And he's still going to have to prove Luke's superiority beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I'm looking forward to dissecting it.
(The moral of the story: don't make bullshit absolute claims. You should have just stuck with "he's one of the best ever, and in my opinion, the best."😉
Kudos to Red for getting it right.
i don't have to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt. don't be ridiculous. Do you have any idea what "beyond a shadow of a doubt" entails? You can't prove to me that Sidious is the greatest DLOTS beyond a shadow of a doubt. Enough that we all believe it, yes. But beyond doubt? Well... ask Neb. Apparently he doubts.
I claimed that Skywalker has MORE feats, and MORE combat achievements than any figure in the mythos. That I can prove.
You once AGAIN misrepresented what I said. If you want to argue what you would like me to say, just leave me a list of claims you would like me to make so we don't have such a hard time getting there.
I'm in the process of doing it in PH. If you want to help your own case, you might start documenting another character. It would help my over-all goal of compiling all feats for all characters, and then we would be able to compare feats, and it would be just nifty. If not, i'll get to sidious eventually anyway.
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Are you sure luke has more feats than emperor palpatine as of dark empire?
more? Yes. And if you notice, that, very carefully, i might add, is what I claimed. How could he not? He has had literally hundreds of books written about him. Even if he doesn't, and Gideon makes a longer lists of Sidious's feats than I can about Luke, I'll concede the point, and STILL have a completed Sidious list to work with. It is definitly win-win.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
From Nai circa 2005:Also: THE GENESIS OF THE TERM:
well... Nai....
RED YOU AREN'T HELPING AT ALL!!! BEING MOST UNHELPFUL!!! 😠 😠 😠
lol.
I'm just playin'. I wasn't certain no one had said it, i just wanted Gideon to look it up, because i seriously didn't remember. He's at college, after welcome week, he is going to be quite busy, and there are a lot of posts... But no..... Red had to go help him.... cryWhy not just go yell at the noobs some more?
EDIT: And then you edited it all away anyway. You are playing games with my heart man.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t508764.html
I've read that. I'm looking more for a list format. Besides, there was no indication given that this list was exhaustive anyway. the reason i mention gideon to do it, is simply because he has all the sources already. The ones with page numbers in this essay are already completely ready to go.
EDIT: And then you edited it all away anyway. You are playing games with my heart man.
I did? This is news to me!
Aso:
RED YOU AREN'T HELPING AT ALL!!! BEING MOST UNHELPFUL!!!
ALSO:I AM LOSING ENTHUSIASM FOR YELLING AT NOOBS IT IS LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL I NEED A BIGGER CHALLENGE MAYBE I WILL PISS OFF FAUNUS WHEN HE COMES BACK.
I'm sorry. And Gideon, as Red has proved, there were people that saw Luke as an untouchable god, so i apologize for acting like you were telling us something everybody already knew. Apparently some people...
As for the list of Luke's feats: i'm still working on it. It'll take a long time. Classes start Monday, and I've got to have all my monologues and audition pieces ready before then.. so KMC will be re-relegated to a small part of my life. I'll keep posting on it though. I would seriously encourage you to work on compiling the Sidious list, if you have any time for it.
kudos.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
He already kinda has, look up his essay in this section.Btw, CAPS MAKE ME LOOK COOL.
i just addressed that.
But i don't want to copy-paste the feats from the essay into a list format, unless he wants too. Otherwise its kinda copy-right-ish.
Plus, he will already have a good idea where to find page numbers for the ones that don't have them.
Originally posted by truejedi
I'm sorry. And Gideon, as Red has proved, there were people that saw Luke as an untouchable god, so i apologize for acting like you were telling us something everybody already knew. Apparently some people...As for the list of Luke's feats: i'm still working on it. It'll take a long time. Classes start Monday, and I've got to have all my monologues and audition pieces ready before then.. so KMC will be re-relegated to a small part of my life. I'll keep posting on it though. I would seriously encourage you to work on compiling the Sidious list, if you have any time for it.
kudos.
Yea, from what, 2005? I wasn't aware that this was the general consensus on this forum in years...
while doing the whole luke list thing, i just read the Mara fight again.
G__D___ Travviss! She NEVER EVER EVER gave Caedus time to pull out that stupid darth. She had mara block all four darts from the gun, and then just randomly has him stick her with a stupid dart that the novel never gave him time to get out. He was dead. He was freaking dead, and Travviss let him kill Mara without an ounce of sensibility about it.
Okay, so now, Mara Jade is > Caedus.
I don't care. i'm so freaking pissed. She beat him. One on One, and then, not only did Caedus cheat, KAREN TRAVISS Cheated because she never actually gave Jacen an opening to get out that dart. I thought the Ben face thing gave him the opening, but according to the book, there would have been no way to get that thing out AND stick mara with it in that second.
So in one on one, Mara won.
She is > Caedus.