Originally posted by inimalist
sell me
Originally posted by Robtard
YouTube video
Is this the ONLY thing people know of?
I mean considering that in 300 years span 3, 000 people were executed and 15, 000 reconciled.
How can that be the worst thing ever inflicted upon man by religion? Oooo 3 000 in 300 years...actually 400 years. That's 10 people per year.
America executed half of those in only 36 years.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Is this the ONLY thing people know of?I mean considering that in 300 years span 3, 000 people were executed and 15, 000 reconciled.
How can that be the worst thing ever inflicted upon man by religion? Oooo 3 000 in 300 years...actually 400 years. That's 10 people per year.
America executed half of those in only 36 years.
Science managed to kill 80000 people in a split second!
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But true. Destroying Hiroshima was an action sanctioned and arranged by the International Science League.
Your sarcasm...is...whatever.
Science destroyed nothing, just as religion didn't. People did, and it's not like we need a lot to prompt us to go kill others we don't like/are not the same.
Those things are tools, not causes.
EDIT: And I am sure there are far more devastating death tolls in the name of religion, then a Spanish Inquisition - that was just the famous one.
Originally posted by inimalist
👆If religion didn't exist, people would need to invent it.
Look at the gang violence in LA.
That's exactly it. The key point.
If it wasn't there we would have invented it.
Scientology proved that spirit of organised religion is alive and well, and has transcended into science fiction. (or kind of born out of it)
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your sarcasm...is...whatever.
Science destroyed nothing, just as religion didn't. People did, and it's not like we need a lot to prompt us to go kill others we don't like/are not the same.Those things are tools, not causes.
EDIT: And I am sure there are far more devastating death tolls in the name of religion, then a Spanish Inquisition - that was just the famous one.
This post is full of win.
And, inimalist, you were joking about the "sell me" comment, right? I mean, you don't really want me to sell the demerits or wrong doings of religion over the ages, do you? I can't be arsed. 😆
Edit - Indeed, inimalist. Religion would just exist in another form of social oppression. I indicated that earlier to Symetric Chaos.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, inimalist, you were joking about the "sell me" comment, right? I mean, you don't really want me to sell the demerits or wrong doings of religion over the ages, do you? I can't be arsed. 😆
I am serious
you would have a lot of trouble convincing me that some belief system centered around the supernatural is responsible for the huge diversity of behaviour seen in religious people.
Rather than tell me everything people have done wrong in the name of religion, convince me that those things are the result of religion, and not some more ubiquitous human tendency under various contexts.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - Indeed, inimalist. Religion would just exist in another form of social oppression. I indicated that earlier to Symetric Chaos.
meaning religion is a mechanism, but not a cause...
essentially the conclusion of the logic behind the "sell me" comment, and why I think hoping for the day where religion no longer exists is naive. [which you said you were cynical about anyways]
if you know that it is humanity, and not religion, that causes social ill, why attack religion? Especially knowing that even if you were successful, it would change only the team colours?
Originally posted by inimalist
I am seriousyou would have a lot of trouble convincing me that some belief system centered around the supernatural is responsible for the huge diversity of behaviour seen in religious people.
Rather than tell me everything people have done wrong in the name of religion, convince me that those things are the result of religion, and not some more ubiquitous human tendency under various contexts.
AHA!
Originally posted by inimalist
meaning religion is a mechanism, but not a cause...essentially the conclusion of the logic behind the "sell me" comment, and why I think hoping for the day where religion no longer exists is naive. [which you said you were cynical about anyways]
if you know that it is humanity, and not religion, that causes social ill, why attack religion? Especially knowing that even if you were successful, it would change only the team colours?
Okay. This, I agree with.
And, like I said before, my comment was tongue in cheek and pure cynicism.
And, allow me to hate something. 🙁
Edit- But aren't there some forms of oppression that wouldn't exist without religion?
From what I hear from my Heathen coworker, females among the nordic peoples shared much more freedoms than most other females on all of the Earth. It took hundreds of years for the rest of the world to catch up to them...when it came to the treatment of women, that is. I haven't read anything academic about that, though, and only get my ear filled by the swastika toting Nordic coworker.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, allow me to hate something. 🙁
just hate everyone and everything equally 🙂
lol, makes the world bright and shiny
EDIT:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit- But aren't there some forms of oppression that wouldn't exist without religion?From what I hear from my Heathen coworker, females among the nordic peoples shared much more freedoms than most other females on all of the Earth. It took hundreds of years for the rest of the world to catch up to them...when it came to the treatment of women, that is. I haven't read anything academic about that, though, and only get my ear filled by the swastika toting Nordic coworker.
obviously the world would be different, but you would have to convince me that religion was the cause, and not mechanism, of gender based oppression, versus something like the gendered allocation of labour assisting in the growth of communities which practiced it at the expense of those who didn't, the desire of men to only provide resources for their own prodginy, or even just the biological differences in gender, with women being ultimatly weaker in the one way that really matters. From there, power systems and institutions, whatever their justification, could just pull the gender lever and control society.
Originally posted by inimalist
just hate everyone and everything equally 🙂lol, makes the world bright and shiny
As I get older, I am becoming more and more like Robtard: full of piss and vinegar. My wife has noticed it, too. Damn world and its stupidness, I say.
On...on my last point:
My last point fails horribly because they had their Norse gods. However, they were sort of...apathetic with their religion. It didn't require that they spread their religion everywhere. More like...their religion said that they had to die honorably in battle, etc.
There's also Buddhists, who are awesome.
There are tons of exceptiosn to the rule. I like those. I don't like the Rabid Christians and Muslims, though. That's more what I was hating on.
Originally posted by dadudemon
As I get older, I am becoming more and more like Robtard: full of piss and vinegar. My wife has noticed it, too. Damn world and its stupidness, I say.
I've tried to find humor in the absurdity of the planet in more recent years. Really helps my moods 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
There's also Buddhists, who are awesome.
there are asian street gangs who name themselves after the Buhha, the recent riots in Tibet, the treatment of those from different Buddhist sects within Tibet, Japanese soldiers during ww2, etc.
context, not religion
Originally posted by dadudemon
There are tons of exceptiosn to the rule.
of course, but what drives those exceptions? context.
I get what you are saying, and certainly believing in non-violence leads people to less violence, but is it that the person is a Jain? or is it that they grew up where it was inappropriate to use violence in situations, and all of their behevioural patterns and actions reflect this?