Deathwing Vs. Lich King

deathwing is tens of thousands of years old so has much more experience than the lich king, he created a weapon far greater than anything the lich king could ever do (the dragon/demon soul) that single handedly destroyed an army of the burning leagon and a good portion of the night elf army as well in a single blast.

his power and knowledge is vastly greater than ner'zuls so he would win

Multiply ten thousand with ten and you'll be closer.
Ner'Zhul is gone, though. So simply put, he has Arthas intelligence to compete against here.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Multiply ten thousand with ten and you'll be closer.
Ner'Zhul is gone, though. So simply put, he has Arthas intelligence to compete against here.

Originally posted by menokokoro
??? so you think that arthas overpowered ner'zhuls mind? no they are one, ner'zhul wanted arthas to be there from the start so he could have a vesal, if anything its arthas thats gone.

I don't think.

You haven't read the book "Arthas", have you? Ner'Zhul doesn't exist anymore. If he does, it's not in Arthas body. Ner'Zhul is no longer the Lich King. This however, is a fact only known to Arthas himself (Possibly Sylvanas, Deathwing and Aegwynn as well).

Ner'Zhul is gone. Arthas is in charge. There's no debating it. It exist black on white, and I'll even quote it. This is the end of the book, though, so it's a spoiler:

Spoiler:
"We are one, Arthas. Together, we are the Lich King. No more Ner'zhul, no more Arthas--only this one glorious being. With my knowledge, we can--"
His eyes bulged as the sword impaled him.
Arthas tepped forward, plunging the glittering, hungering Frostmourne ever deeper into the dream-being that had once been Ner'Zhul, then the LIch King, and was soon to be nothing, nothing at all. He slipped his other arm around the body, pressing his lips so close to the green ear that the gesture was almost intimate, as intimate as the act of taking a life always was and always would be.
"No," A rthas whispered. "No we. No one tells me what to do. I've got everything I need from you--now the power is mine and mine alone. Now there is only I. I am the Lich King. And I am ready"
The orc Shuddered in his arms, stunned by the betrayal, and vanished.

Hm confusing, was it not Nerzhuel who was the lich king all this time, who was the grand vast conciousness? how can you just steal the expanded conciousness and everything else? unless it was just nerzhuels spirit that was destroyed yet all the gifts Kiljaeden gave was still given to Arthas.

This is my interpretation:
When you first meet the Lich King in Northrend in World of Warcraft, he says "I was once a shaman too". The quoted event in the book takes place before this encounter, so here's my guess-

When Arthas smited Ner'Zhul, he simply killed a split personality. The book states how Ner'Zhul was first Ner'Zhul, then the Lich King. This is just how Arthas was first Arthas and then the Lich King.
When then Ner'Zhul and Arthas joined together and became one (The Lich King), they attained eachothers memories. This is reason enough for Arthas to claim that he was a shaman too, since it's part of his memories and isn't directly false given how the Lich King once was a shaman.

The Lich King is the descendant of Arthas and Ner'Zhul. He's the combined being of the two, all until Arthas used the Frostmourne and destroyed Ner'Zhuls spirit.

At which point, Ner'Zhul vanishes. Arthas attain control and that's that. Two minds aren't required to control one body. Arthas doesn't need Ner'Zhul, although it was rather stupid to smite him, given how Ner'Zhul was the smart one of the two.
If Arthas really wanted power, he'd have kept Ner'Zhul around because Ner'Zhul has a much more potent mind.

Bottomline: Ner'Zhul is no more. Arthas is selfish. Arthas is the Lich King. Ner'Zhul isn't.
Ner'Zhul isn't necessarily dead though, only gone. I imagine he'll make a return which will contribute in the defeat of the Lich King.

But you claim that you think they attained eachothers memories so technically Arthas is just as intelligent and vast mentally as Nerzhuel ever was...

Not really. Memories does not equal intelligence. He'll have the experience of Ner'Zhul, but Ner'Zhul is still the smarter of the two.

Ironic. Arthas finally got his vengeance.

Arthas really blew it that time. Ner'Zhul was the mind and Arthas the body. He should've settled with that if he wanted power. Ner'Zhul was the one whos mind expanded ten thousand fold.

Deathwing wins either way. The Lich King is a glas canon against Deathwing.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I don't think.

You haven't read the book "Arthas", have you? Ner'Zhul doesn't exist anymore. If he does, it's not in Arthas body. Ner'Zhul is no longer the Lich King. This however, is a fact only known to Arthas himself (Possibly Sylvanas, Deathwing and Aegwynn as well).

Ner'Zhul is gone. Arthas is in charge. There's no debating it. It exist black on white, and I'll even quote it. This is the end of the book, though, so it's a spoiler:

Spoiler:
"We are one, Arthas. Together, we are the Lich King. No more Ner'zhul, no more Arthas--only this one glorious being. With my knowledge, we can--"
His eyes bulged as the sword impaled him.
Arthas tepped forward, plunging the glittering, hungering Frostmourne ever deeper into the dream-being that had once been Ner'Zhul, then the LIch King, and was soon to be nothing, nothing at all. He slipped his other arm around the body, pressing his lips so close to the green ear that the gesture was almost intimate, as intimate as the act of taking a life always was and always would be.
"No," A rthas whispered. "No we. No one tells me what to do. I've got everything I need from you--now the power is mine and mine alone. Now there is only I. I am the Lich King. And I am ready"
The orc Shuddered in his arms, stunned by the betrayal, and vanished.

Originally posted by Rapidash
Arthas really blew it that time. Ner'Zhul was the mind and Arthas the body. He should've settled with that if he wanted power. Ner'Zhul was the one whos mind expanded ten thousand fold.

Arthas is famous for his "act first, ask questions later" policy 😛