Originally posted by D_Dude1210
As long as violent action is still occurring, it's still considered a fight.
No, not really.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I've always viewed being "shutdown" as being unable to do ANYTHING to an opponent when you've used all your resources and capabilities. The scan only shows that BRB was able to defend against the first few attacks the Surfer made. The Surfer compensated using his other powerset and then bypassed BRB's defenses easily.
Your view is wrong.
What other powerset?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I disagree on your frequent use of the word: "blindside" (implying to the possibility that it could have been a cheap trick tat allowed the Surfer to win), if you keep focusing on a guy's hands and didn't notice his kick (w/c was outside your current view), would that be a blindside?
Blindside is in the realm of cheapshots, ambushes, etc., however wasn't really one considering the context in which it happened.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The way I interpret the board blitz occurred, Surfer distracted him with a frontal energy attack to distract him and leave him open to a rear physical attack. Many consider this type of maneuver a "feint".
Which is why it wasn't a cheapshot.
Also, there wasn't a single blitz in that fight.
At all.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Also, I can almost always see this move working repeatedly in a forum fight as it is an extremely viable way to bypass BRB's strong defense against energy attacks.
That move mostly likely wouldn't work in a KMC fight. Ever. Unless, say, he is fighting someone without superspeed.
Also, it wasn't just Bill's defense against energy attacks. I'm sensing that you're trying to downplay/spin this again.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
No, I consider the outcome as the reason why it was an owning. BRB and SS exchanged attacks and the Surfer came out pretty much unscathed and BRB got bloodied, beaten and was in fetal position. THAT, my friend, is an owning.
So basically you just want it to be an owning, even though things point towards it being something else.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
That's nitpicking, yeah. 😛 Even then, at best, that would be a good feat for BRB's ability to recover/heal or, at worst, just the artist neglecting to draw the blood.
In addition, a poor showing for Surfer.
Also, my nitpicking wouldn't start, or stop there.
Originally posted by Aang the Avatar
I am totally confused on how people can view Godhunter as favorable to Bill with regards to his fight with the Surfer. Did I miss Godhunter issue #2.5 where BRB beat Surfer?
Originally posted by Aang the Avatar
Oh BTW, Team 2 wins. They already have wins in crossovers. Well maybe not SS over Hal as I think he beat Kyle. I still think team 2 is more formidable.
Originally posted by Aang the Avatar
Umm, everything I've read so far says BRB=Thor. Is there an issue where Thor was declared superior?
Hi.
Originally posted by Spire
No, not really.
That's your opinion. I disagree. Wanna pull dictionary definitions to contest this?
Originally posted by Spire
Your view is wrong.
Again, your opinion.
Hatton defended well against Pacquiao the first few seconds of the fight but it ended in a complete pwnage. If we based it on your style of interpretation, we'd state the fight like this:
"Hatton shutdown Pacquiao because he was able to prevent Pacquiao from landing solid blows the first few minutes, had Pacquiao backing up for most of the early fight and even got him against the ropes first. As soon as Pacquiao landed a punch to the face, however, the fight was over, but Hatton still owned Pacquiao."
Sounds convincing and all, but we all know it didn't happen that way. You see, the first few seconds of the fight isn't what's the most important.
Originally posted by Spire
What other powerset?
The "board blitz" to the head. The board is part of the Surfer's powerset and he used it to compensate against BRB's defenses.
Originally posted by Spire
Blindside is in the realm of cheapshots, ambushes, etc., however wasn't really one considering the context in which it happened.Which is why it wasn't a cheapshot.
Then maybe select a better word for it? Like feint. Even though you've made no direct mention that it was a cheapshot, the use of the word "blindside" implies it.
Originally posted by Spire
Also, there wasn't a single blitz in that fight.At all.
I used the term "board blitz" to describe the instances when the Surfer controls his board from a distance in an offensive manner much like a long range, incredibly fast, highly accurate blunt instrument. "Board blitz" just sounds better than: "Surfer controls his board from a distance in an offensive manner much like a long range, incredibly fast, highly accurate blunt instrument" and is a heckuva lot shorter.
Originally posted by Spire
That move mostly likely wouldn't work in a KMC fight. Ever. Unless, say, he is fighting someone without superspeed.
I highly disagree. A clever frontal energy attack feint followed up by a quick and brutal rear physical attack can easily work, why wouldn't it?
Originally posted by Spire
Also, it wasn't just Bill's defense against energy attacks. I'm sensing that you're trying to downplay/spin this again.
BRB's energy absorption ability is what can give the Surfer the most problems in a 1v1 fight. The board is a quick, precise, powerful physical attack that can bypass this defense.
Where exactly was my spin here? Again, if you think there's spin/downplay being done, pls point it out instead of being accusatory.
Originally posted by Spire
So basically you just want it to be an owning, even though things point towards it being something else.
Not really, the end result/outcome of a fight wherein there was no interference/PIS/plot device in play is a very good indicator of ownage. Certainly a MUCH better indicator than just basing it off the first few panels of the fight.
Originally posted by Spire
In addition, a poor showing for Surfer.
Not really. :-/
First, I see that you've back into your dodge and denial mode. Fun.
Second, you type waaaay to much stuff. Most of it denials and dodges.
From now on, just type dodge or denial instead.
Please.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
That's your opinion. I disagree. Wanna pull dictionary definitions to contest this?
Sure. All the wiki definitions you can find.
No, wait don't. I really believe you would. I'll just spell it out for you instead.
They fought. Surfer uses blindside attack. Fight over.
Why do you feel the need to dodge and throw up a wall of invincible ignorance at every ****ing opportunity?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Again, your opinion.
It's not an opinion. Surfer was shutdown.
Done.
The fact that he needed to use a blindside proves it. Think about that. For a couple minutes.
What you are purposing out of denial is that one needs to take into account random unseen bullshit scenarios, variables, blindsides, chance of sudden heart attack, etc. before one can be shut down.
Lol.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The "board blitz" to the head. The board is part of the Surfer's powerset and he used it to compensate against BRB's defenses.
Check your rug, you might have Bill's showings under there.
Surfer compensated for his own failings, offensively and defensively.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Then maybe select a better word for it? Like feint. Even though you've made no direct mention that it was a cheapshot, the use of the word "blindside" implies it.
How about, no. Deal with it. Learn English.
However, I do like what you're poking at. That the board was a cheap or bullshit thing.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I used the term "board blitz" to describe the instances when the Surfer controls his board from a distance in an offensive manner much like a long range, incredibly fast, highly accurate blunt instrument. "Board blitz" just sounds better than: "Surfer controls his board from a distance in an offensive manner much like a long range, incredibly fast, highly accurate blunt instrument" and is a heckuva lot shorter.
I use the term blindside to describe unexpected attacks that hit the 'side' of the person they are 'blind' to.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I highly disagree. A clever frontal energy attack feint followed up by a quick and brutal rear physical attack can easily work, why wouldn't it?
So, Surfer mid-combat is going to stop flying around on his board, jump off, then at the same time whisk it around someone while expecting them to go, "Gee, I wonder what he is going to do, while I happen to be standing here doing nothing?"
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
BRB's energy absorption ability is what can give the Surfer the most problems in a 1v1 fight.
Agree. Which forces him to engage Bill H2H and fail.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The board is a quick, precise, powerful physical attack that can bypass this defense.
No, the board used via blindside can. So can 'anything' else when used via blindside.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Where exactly was my spin here? Again, if you think there's spin/downplay being done, pls point it out instead of being accusatory.
Everything you write. In every response. Do you not remember how we got here from my original points which are still standing?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not really, the end result/outcome of a fight wherein there was no interference/PIS/plot device in play is a very good indicator of ownage. Certainly a MUCH better indicator than just basing it off the first few panels of the fight.
In addition, looking at panels that show fighting, in actual combat is certainly a MUCH better indicator then having to base something off a blindside, used out of failure, that would have most likely given any herald character the ups over another.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not really. :-/
OH SH1T!11@1
You actually touched on my original points from my original post!
So... being shutdown to the point you have to resort to a blindside... is a good showing?..?!?
Originally posted by Avlon
sups and Surfer for the win.WTH is a vortex going to do to either of them? LOL
For all his power, Thor is still physically inferior in every way to sups and a slug speed wise. The Godblast is a joke, there are probably more instances of sups using Torquasm Vo than there are Godblast examples.
guess you nothing of Thor.
The if thor uses the vortex sups or surfer would not be able to break out or move.
The godblast Thor uses all the freakin time. here some of the top of my head once on Galactus, twice on a celestrial, Juggs. you saying Thor is inferior 😆 the only joke is your post and lack of knowlegde of Thor
Originally posted by DarkOdin
guess you nothing of Thor.The if thor uses the vortex sups or surfer would not be able to break out or move.
The godblast Thor uses all the freakin time. here some of the top of my head once on Galactus, twice on a celestrial, Juggs. you saying Thor is inferior 😆 the only joke is your post and lack of knowlegde of Thor
LOL with fanboy assumptions.
Please show me where a vortex has ever held characters on Supes/Surfer diversity level...especially when SS or Supes can go intangible or invisible and move around far faster than Thor can on foot?
Originally posted by Avlon
Supes and Surfer for the win.WTH is a vortex going to do to either of them? LOL
For all his power, Thor is still physically inferior in every way to Supes and a slug speed wise. The Godblast is a joke, there are probably more instances of Supes using Torquasm Vo than there are Godblast examples.
Thor and Green Lantern for the win.
You mean besides contain them? They are not breaking out of it through sheer power or strength. Thor has been shown to negate intangibility etc. I don't see how Superman is breaking out of it. Silver Surfer could attempt to go to the Microverse and break out that way. I think I recall him traveling there or maybe that was Genis-Vell.
Do you really want to get into me with this? Thor is not physically inferior to Superman except the speed category. Superman is clearly a lot faster. Damage soak goes to Thor though and although Thor is not nearly as fast body movement wise, his reflexes are impressive enough that he can defend himself against Clark's speed. Thor's slow? That depends on who you compare him too.
How is the Godblast a joke? His used his Godly Energies about 5 times. Not a lot, but Superman's usage of Torquasm-Vo isn't in the double digits either as far as I recall. The Torquasm-Vo was retconed was it not?
Originally posted by Avlon
LOL with fanboy assumptions.Please show me where a vortex has ever held characters on Supes/Surfer diversity level...especially when SS or Supes can go intangible or invisible and move around far faster than Thor can on foot?
You're talking about fanboy assumptions?
Their diversity would give them a chance, but it doesn't mean that it's a sure way out of it. Invisibility wouldn't be a problem if there already in the vortex and Thor can make himself invisible to. Intangibility can be negated by Thor so that won't save them and Thor can turn himself or his team mate intangible as well. Speed =/= Win.
Originally posted by P0WER C0SMIC
how do u fight some 1 that time's travel ? Explain that please , im talking about SS.
Can't Green Lantern's time travel as well? I specifically recall Hal Jordan stating his ring allows him to walk through time or something along those lines.
I recall, Thor using Mjolnir to negate the effects of time on himself and a house as I recall. There was a change in time, that affected everyone except that specific area.
Originally posted by Spire
First, I see that you've back into your dodge and denial mode. Fun.
Again, accusing and insulting as a debating style only really worked in pre-school. Please lets keep this point for point.
Originally posted by Spire
Second, you type waaaay to much stuff. Most of it denials and dodges.
Okay, if you see any of these "denials" and "dodges", point it out. I'll be glad to explain my point a little more thoroughly if you're misconstruing ANY of my arguments as a form of "denial" or "dodge". Til then, please keep accusations to yourself til you're able to prove it.
Originally posted by Spire
From now on, just type dodge or denial instead.Please.
Same can be said for your arguments, really.
Originally posted by Spire
Sure. All the wiki definitions you can find.No, wait don't. I really believe you would. I'll just spell it out for you instead.
They fought. Surfer uses blindside attack. Fight over.
Not really. See, this is an opinion you have. Definitions of how a "fight" works would disagree with you.
Originally posted by Spire
Why do you feel the need to dodge and throw up a wall of invincible ignorance at every ****ing opportunity?
I'd like to ask you the same question as well.
Originally posted by Spire
It's not an opinion. Surfer was shutdown.Done.
Give your definition of "shutdown". Because I don't consider anyone "shutdown" until they've run out of options. In fact, the use of the board (w/c is part of his powerset) was one of these options.
Originally posted by Spire
The fact that he needed to use a blindside proves it. Think about that. For a couple minutes.
He didn't NEED to do anything. He wasn't really in any danger throughout the whole fight (unless you can prove that he was). He just saw an opportunity to easily end the fight quickly and he took it.
Originally posted by Spire
What you are purposing out of denial is that one needs to take into account random unseen bullshit scenarios, variables, blindsides, chance of sudden heart attack, etc. before one can be shut down.Lol.
The board is NOT an "unseen scenario". It's a viable tactic usable by the Surfer and is easily an option he can use in any VS forum encounter with BRB. Until the Surfer was shown to be unable to do anything to BRB after he's fully used ALL his abilities, there is no way in hell that you can even say that was even remotely close to being "shutdown".
Originally posted by Spire
Check your rug, you might have Bill's showings under there.Surfer compensated for his own failings, offensively and defensively.
No, he used an option open to him. Why you consider being defended against a "failing" shows bias.
Originally posted by Spire
How about, no. Deal with it. Learn English.However, I do like what you're poking at. That the board was a cheap or bullshit thing.
I use the term blindside to describe unexpected attacks that hit the 'side' of the person they are 'blind' to.
Well, it was more of a "feint" than anything else. If you don't like to use the proper wording, it's up to you.
As for it being "cheap" or not, you've already stated in one of your previous posts that you did not consider that tactic "cheap" so I'll hold you to that statement (unless you wish to recant it).
Originally posted by Spire
So, Surfer mid-combat is going to stop flying around on his board, jump off, then at the same time whisk it around someone while expecting them to go, "Gee, I wonder what he is going to do, while I happen to be standing here doing nothing?"
The Surfer doesn't need his board to fly or move around in space (tho it's his quickest method of movement).
People seem to think that the Surfer's opponents NEED to be unawares to get struck with the board. This is just not the case.
Heck, the only way for BRB to defend against the board is with Stormbreaker (he's not catching that thing bare handed). As long as the Surfer can keep Stormbreaker occupied, BRB becomes open to a board blitz.
If BRB defends against a frontal energy attack, he can be board blitzed.
If BRB tosses Stormbreaker at the Surfer, he can be board blitzed.
If BRB strikes the Surfer at melee range (w/c the Surfer can easily absorb), he can be board blitzed.
If BRB and the Surfer grapple, he can be board blitzed.
If BRB uses his energy attack/summon lightning to strike the Surfer, he can be board blitzed.
Those were just a few examples of how easily the Surfer can board blitz BRB. The thing is, since you consider BRB one-shottable by a board blitz (or as you like saying: end the fight), this means that any opening the Surfer has against BRB can potentially one-shot BRB. While the Surfer has been shown to easily tank BRB's attacks.
Originally posted by Spire
Agree. Which forces him to engage Bill H2H and fail.
Again, H2H and energy attacks aren't the only options open to the Surfer.
Originally posted by Spire
No, the board used via blindside can. So can 'anything' else when used via blindside.
Except that the board can accomplish an attack from any angle much much easier than "most anything".
Originally posted by Spire
Everything you write. In every response. Do you not remember how we got here from my original points which are still standing?
Which "points" are still standing exactly? That only the first few panels of a fight (where your boy looks good) counts? FYI, that's been disproven already.
Originally posted by Spire
In addition, looking at panels that show fighting, in actual combat is certainly a MUCH better indicator then having to base something off a blindside, used out of failure, that would have most likely given any herald character the ups over another.
So, in your opinion:
BRB striking Surfer = fighting.
Surfer striking BRB = not fighting.
Riiiight...
Originally posted by Spire
OH SH1T!11@1You actually touched on my original points from my original post!
So... being shutdown to the point you have to resort to a blindside... is a good showing?..?!?
Again, he didn't "resort" to anything. He saw an option open to him to end this fight quickly and easily and he took it. Unless you can prove that this was done out of desperation or from an inability to do anything else, this argument does not stand at all.
So another long pointless reply with no arguments or points except for one thing at the bottom.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Again, accusing and insulting as a debating style only really worked in pre-school. Please lets keep this point for point.
Which is why you stopped a while back mostly.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Okay, if you see any of these "denials" and "dodges", point it out. I'll be glad to explain my point a little more thoroughly if you're misconstruing ANY of my arguments as a form of "denial" or "dodge". Til then, please keep accusations to yourself til you're able to prove it.
Funny, how it is I that needs to explain your posts to you.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Same can be said for your arguments, really.
Denial.
Also, that was actually a question. Answer it.
Here it is again:
Why do you feel the need to dodge and throw up a wall of invincible ignorance at every ****ing opportunity?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not really. See, this is an opinion you have. Definitions of how a "fight" works would disagree with you.
Denial.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I'd like to ask you the same question as well.
Dodge.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Give your definition of "shutdown". Because I don't consider anyone "shutdown" until they've run out of options. In fact, the use of the board (w/c is part of his powerset) was one of these options.
Denial. Dodge.
If you want to look ridiculous, and run under the banner of unforeseen random scenarios in which a writer could give any character a win over the other and anything could happen, go ahead.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
He didn't NEED to do anything. He wasn't really in any danger throughout the whole fight (unless you can prove that he was). He just saw an opportunity to easily end the fight quickly and he took it.
Derailment. Dodge.
You must be talking about that one time I said Bill was about to kill Surfer, and he was near death and...
Oh wait, I never said that.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The board is NOT an "unseen scenario". It's a viable tactic usable by the Surfer and is easily an option he can use in any VS forum encounter with BRB. Until the Surfer was shown to be unable to do anything to BRB after he's fully used ALL his abilities, there is no way in hell that you can even say that was even remotely close to being "shutdown".
Derailment. Dodge.
Wishful thinking really. I would laugh if anyone actually gave merit to Surfer using his board in a KMC in the middle of battle. Especially against Bill or someone near him.
Lol.
Also, so I guess now everybody is given unforeseen random bullshit scenarios via any means as part of their powersets.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
No, he used an option open to him. Why you consider being defended against a "failing" shows bias.
Dodge. Denial.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Well, it was more of a "feint" than anything else. If you don't like to use the proper wording, it's up to you.
Retardation.
Don't start with me. English isn't your first language. I get it.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
As for it being "cheap" or not, you've already stated in one of your previous posts that you did not consider that tactic "cheap" so I'll hold you to that statement (unless you wish to recant it).
Derailment.
Which is why you bringing this up is pointless. If you would just stop your distracting sidestepping crap...
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The Surfer doesn't need his board to fly or move around in space (tho it's his quickest method of movement).People seem to think that the Surfer's opponents NEED to be unawares to get struck with the board. This is just not the case.
Lawlz. Yes, lets have him propel himself with blasts in mid combat and stun his opponent with laughter.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Heck, the only way for BRB to defend against the board is...
1. For the writer to not have Bill stop and talk during combat, and continue to attack Surfer.
2. Block it or dodge it, since he handled two of his blasts just fine. Reacted to his rush. Reacted to Surfer's H2H or N/A since Bill was already H2Hing him.
Or we could have D_Dude1210 write it and random unforeseen scenarios, thereby giving 7453 different reasons why Bill wouldn't block it.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Those were just a few examples of how easily the Surfer can board blitz BRB. The thing is, since you consider BRB one-shottable by a board blitz (or as you like saying: end the fight), this means that any opening the Surfer has against BRB can potentially one-shot BRB. While the Surfer has been shown to easily tank BRB's attacks.
Reading Comprehension FTW.
I think you just look at words and pretend that they mean what you want them to. Then
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Again, H2H and energy attacks aren't the only options open to the Surfer.
Dodge.
Since your definition of powerset consists of everything to anything, I guess not.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Except that the board can accomplish an attack from any angle much much easier than "most anything".
Derailment.
Maybe. However I could use your own super reasoning and dodge powers against you to prove that it's not, with 75698 different reasons and scenarios.
Luckily for you I won't.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Which "points" are still standing exactly? That only the first few panels of a fight (where your boy looks good) counts? FYI, that's been disproven already.
False. Every point I've made still stands. The fact that you have derailed this is proof enough. You in your blind denial can argue against that until your hearts content.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
So, in your opinion:BRB striking Surfer = fighting.
Surfer striking BRB = not fighting.Riiiight...
Denial.
Fighting = Fighting
Bill rendered stunned, unbalanced, disoriented, vulnerable, etc., by a blindside attack then hit = Not Fighting
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Again, he didn't "resort" to anything. He saw an option open to him to end this fight quickly and easily and he took it. Unless you can prove that this was done out of desperation or from an inability to do anything else, this argument does not stand at all.
Dodge.
Originally posted by Avlon
LOL with fanboy assumptions.Please show me where a vortex has ever held characters on Supes/Surfer diversity level...especially when SS or Supes can go intangible or invisible and move around far faster than Thor can on foot?
this from the dc biased fanboy 😆
you are such a hypocrite!
from this day forward you shall now be known as mr. hypocrite! the dc biased fanboy!
Wow. You've basically reached the point where you can't beat any of my arguments so you resort to trolling, aren't you?
Originally posted by Spire
So another long pointless reply with no arguments or points except for one thing at the bottom.
Lol. Seriously, you've answered 0 of my arguments and have decided to resort to acting like a 10 year old just so that you can pretend that you've actually accomplished something.
Originally posted by Spire
Funny, how it is I that needs to explain your posts to you.
No, you need to explain your accusations to me. Cuz you know, in any decent society, you need to back up your accusations with facts.
Originally posted by Spire
Denial.
Accusation without proof.
Originally posted by Spire
Also, that was actually a question. Answer it.Here it is again:
Why do you feel the need to dodge and throw up a wall of invincible ignorance at every ****ing opportunity?
Which shows the degree of relevance (and the level of thought and maturity) contained in each of your posts.
Originally posted by Spire
Denial.
Accusation without proof.
Originally posted by Spire
Dodge.
Accusation without proof. In fact, downright hypocrisy. You're the one dodging the point I made here. My definition of a fight is more accurate, you've even refused to pull out definitions because you know who will be in the right here.
Originally posted by Spire
Denial. Dodge.If you want to look ridiculous, and run under the banner of unforeseen random scenarios in which a writer could give any character a win over the other and anything could happen, go ahead.
Accusation without proof. You're the one claiming a shutdown but offer zero proof to support your assumption. It's funny that all you really can do these days is to troll and throw around false accusations (and then not backing THOSE up with facts).
Originally posted by Spire
Derailment. Dodge.You must be talking about that one time I said Bill was about to kill Surfer, and he was near death and...
Oh wait, I never said that.
You're the one who claimed he was "shutdown" and that he "needed to resort to a blindside"
He didn't need to do anything, he wasn't shutdown. You offer zero proof of this and it's funny that you claim that I was derailing and denying anything.
Originally posted by Spire
Derailment. Dodge.Wishful thinking really. I would laugh if anyone actually gave merit to Surfer using his board in a KMC in the middle of battle. Especially against Bill or someone near him.
He's used to board to combat opponents near BRB's level in the past. Your refusal to accept that the board is actually a viable weapon to use against his opponents speaks of your ignorance of who the Surfer is.
Originally posted by Spire
Lol.Also, so I guess now everybody is given unforeseen random bullshit scenarios via any means as part of their powersets.
No, they're given the option to use all their powers before they can be classified as "shutdown".
You using words like "fight" and "shutdown" when you're attaching your OWN definitions on those words isn't really a viable way of winning debates.
Originally posted by Spire
Dodge. Denial.
Actually, you're the one dodging and denying here. I've presented that the board is a viable strat and does not in any way detract from the Surfer's showings in this fight, while you have no proof of anything except your own fabricated definitions of english words that you refuse to pull actual, accepted dictionary definitions of.
You heard, I'm calling you out. Prove that your use of "fight" and "shutdown" apply to this fight the way you're implying.
Originally posted by Spire
Retardation.Don't start with me. English isn't your first language. I get it.
I will admit that I misconstrue some words and it's meanings. But I'm man enough to admit it. I do not create new meanings for established words like "fight" and "shutdown" and then try to force these false definitions into people by using juvenile insults and accusations. Again, I'm calling you out, stop making up new meanings for these words and prove your points.
I'm still hoping that English ISN'T your first language. Otherwise, I feel sorry for you. "Fight" and "shutdown" aren't really all that hard.
Originally posted by Spire
Derailment.Which is why you bringing this up is pointless. If you would just stop your distracting sidestepping crap...
Sidestepping what? You said:
Originally posted by Spire
However, I do like what you're poking at. That the board was a cheap or bullshit thing.
I said:
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
As for it being "cheap" or not, you've already stated in one of your previous posts that you did not consider that tactic "cheap" so I'll hold you to that statement (unless you wish to recant it).
Stating that I KNOW you're not trying to flatly state that it WAS cheap since I KNOW that you've already stated that it wasn't.
I don't know why trying to clarifying your own post to you is a sidestep to anything, but I guess you just randomly pick between "Denial", "dodge" and "derialment" now because you've really run out of valid points to use and have just stuck to all out trolling now. :-/
Originally posted by Spire
Lawlz. Yes, lets have him propel himself with blasts in mid combat and stun his opponent with laughter.
BRB propels himself with Stormbreaker but has been seen to throw his hammer at his opponents. Why you think it's ok for BRB to use his primary mode of transportation (other than his ship, w/c isn't part of this debate) as a weapon and "funny" for SS to do so shows bias.
Originally posted by Spire
1. For the writer to not have Bill stop and talk during combat, and continue to attack Surfer.
Are you saying that you can PROVE that BRB actually actively stopped his attack to talk to the Surfer in that scan? I'd love to see this.
Originally posted by Spire
2. Block it or dodge it, since he handled two of his blasts just fine. Reacted to his rush. Reacted to Surfer's H2H or N/A since Bill was already H2Hing him.
BRB needs Stormbreaker to block the board. If Stormbreaker is kept busy (such as what happened in that fight), the Surfer can bypass that defense.
BRB needs to be in melee range to H2H the Surfer. The board can be used at long range (therefore bypassing this possibility).
BRB has not shown any ability to dodge anything of the type of speed OR accuracy that the board can do. And according to that scan, he couldn't (or at least couldn't easily).
Originally posted by Spire
Or we could have D_Dude1210 write it and random unforeseen scenarios, thereby giving 7453 different reasons why Bill wouldn't block it.
He didn't block it in that scan.
Showings of board being unblocked by BRB = 1
Showings of BRB blocking the board = 0
Assuming that something can be done when it has not been shown on-panel is NOT a valid debating style here. Again, if that is too much for you, maybe this isn't the place for you?
Originally posted by Spire
Reading Comprehension FTW.
You're the one who keeps claiming that one hit from the board "ended the fight". Maybe you should reread and re-comprehend your own posts?
Originally posted by Spire
Dodge.Since your definition of powerset consists of everything to anything, I guess not.
Are you saying that energy blasts and rushing are all of the Surfer's powersets? Make your point with this statement and stop with all the dodging.
I guess when you say "dodge", you're actually indicating what tactic you're going to be using for this argument.
Originally posted by Spire
Derailment.Maybe. However I could use your own super reasoning and dodge powers against you to prove that it's not, with 75698 different reasons and scenarios.
You can't prove that the Surfer was ever "shutdown". Stop trying to derail the argument by making accusations that
Originally posted by Spire
Luckily for you I won't.
The only thing you won't be doing is proving any of your points.
Originally posted by Spire
False. Every point I've made still stands. The fact that you have derailed this is proof enough. You in your blind denial can argue against that until your hearts content.
Nice Denial/Derailment. You can't disprove my point, I've went as far as use a RL example of why you don't use the first part of a fight to determine whether or not someone got "owned" in ANY fight. You can't disprove my points, you can't even prove yours.
You in YOUR blind denial can argue against THAT until your hearts content.
Originally posted by Spire
Denial.Fighting = Fighting
Bill rendered stunned, unbalanced, disoriented, vulnerable, etc., by a blindside attack then hit = Not Fighting
Just because the Surfer got the advantage over BRB, doesn't end the fight at all.
And it SURE AS HELL did not end the owning that BRB got. You can close your eyes, cover your ears and go "LALALALA! IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!" all you want. The Surfer owned BRB in that fight and you cutting out the portions from your head where he was causing BRB to bleed all over the place doesn't change this.
Originally posted by Spire
Dodge.
Again, you must simply like to mention your tactic for any argument you can't disprove. Let me restate what I said:
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Again, he didn't "resort" to anything. He saw an option open to him to end this fight quickly and easily and he took it. Unless you can prove that this was done out of desperation or from an inability to do anything else, this argument does not stand at all.
Be a man and stop with all the dodging.