G.Lantern, Thor vs Superman, Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Spire
Stop. Side. Stepping. Answer. Questions. Not. Difficult. You. Can. Do. It.

Just write your answer between the brackets.

What happened when Surfer fired energy blasts?
([b]WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

What happened when Surfer rushed Bill?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

What happened when Surfer got close?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Did Surfer Block, avoid, or dodge Bills H2H?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)
[/B]

Cuz, yeah, the fight ended after that right?

I'll answer yours after you answer mine. because you're the type who never answers questions YOU are asked (see below for proof):

Did the Surfer receive any visible damage from BRB's hits (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Did the Surfer's blows deal any visible damage to BRB (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

At the end of the fight, was BRB in a fetal position (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Does being in a fetal position indicate a loss for BRB (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Originally posted by Spire
Stop. Think. Stay on topic. Resist urge to dodge. Here is a refresher for you.

Original Point: So unexpected attacks that hit you in the back of the neck, of all places, doesn't make you weakened, disoriented, stunned, shocked, off balance, dizzy, etc., and easier or more susceptible to KO?

Of course not it was the punches.

I've already answered this question. ANY strong hit can make you weakened, disoriented, stunned, shocked, off balance, dizzy, etc. and easier and more susceptible to KO. Do you watch any boxing/MMA at ALL? But that whole argument is IRRELEVANT.

Again. IRRELEVANT. May I explain WHY without you throwing around wild, baseless accusations?

You accuse me of not staying on topic or dodging or sidestepping but I've answered and (more importantly) disproved your arguments with my own and you've yet to disprove ANY of my arguments with a direct answer.

You accuse people of things that you are FAR FAR guiltier of. There's a word for people like you.

Originally posted by Spire
Two things:
1. Sidestep. Stop. Please.
2. Anything that you would care to add? Like, um, stuff that happened before the board, and why he would need to.

Nope. Cuz, like in every real fight, the end result is far more important than the first few seconds of the fight.

Originally posted by Spire
If you can't understand a simple:

Was Person 1 throwing powerful punches?

If by you mean by Person 1 is the Surfer, then YES he WAS throwing powerful punches. BRB's face, his injuries and the results of the hits speak volumes of how strong they were especially due to BRB proven durability.

Just because it didn't go "ZWAMMMM!" doesn't mean it's not powerful. I mean that's gotta be the dumbest "argument" (if you can even call it that) I've ever heard.

Originally posted by Spire
And you respond with random off topic stuff like, 'Person 2's durability' or 'VS forum fights'' or 'Durability is important in a fight',

You LOVE to make things up, don't you?!

Let's revisit that portion of our debate, shall we?

First, you asked:

Originally posted by Spire
Would you say Bill's blows were powerful?

I answered:

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
He's a mid-herald level. OF COURSE his blows were powerful. Just weren't powerful enough to hurt the Surfer. While Surfer's blows were easily powerful enough to hurt BRB.

Then I followed it up with a question of my own:

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
My turn with the questions:

Do you believe that distance thrown and the sound effect is a CLEAR and CONCISE indication of how much DAMAGE was dealt between opponents?

Which you never answered, btw. :-/

You know, Lying in a debate isn't really good form.

Originally posted by Spire
then you're not mentally equipped to be using the internet.

Disconnect your modem.

LOL. This from the guy who claims "ZWAMM!" means powwa. HAHA. You fail.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
just run Kris between Naja and dude i think i am going to go crazy.

Umm... Unlike Spire who has made it a point to lie/troll/sidestep/accuse/insult/act stupid throughout this whole debate, I don't really consider you a troll and would gladly do this debate simply based on the facts at hand. Thus, I've made no attacks against you and I ask you do the same.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Umm... Unlike Spire who has made it a point to lie/troll/sidestep/accuse/insult/act stupid throughout this whole debate, I don't really consider you a troll and would gladly do this debate simply based on the facts at hand. Thus, I've made no attacks against you and I ask you do the same.

Ok 😮 Sorry about that i retract my statement about you

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Ok 😮 Sorry about that i retract my statement about you

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Ok 😮 Sorry about that i retract my statement about you

Peace brotha!

hug

Originally posted by Spire

Anyways, why were Bill blows powerful?

Originally posted by Spire
Would you say Bill's blows were powerful?

Actually, on careful review of our previous posts, I've answered TWO of your questions and not one. Two questions answered by me, ZERO of my questions answered by you, Spire.

Thor and Hal

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I'll answer yours after you answer mine. because you're the type who never answers questions YOU are asked (see below for proof):

Did you seriously just sidestep again and refuse to answer my questions, which were variations of my original point in my first post?

Original points stands.

Concession noted.

You're done, obviously, but I'll go ahead and reply to your long-winded theatrical off-topic sidesteps.

Just for fun.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
If by you mean by Person 1 is the Surfer, then YES he WAS throwing powerful punches. BRB's face, his injuries and the results of the hits speak volumes of how strong they were especially due to BRB proven durability.

Speculation. Any proof they were powerful?

Or rather, in your own words:

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I've already answered this question. ANY strong hit can make you weakened, disoriented, stunned, shocked, off balance, dizzy, etc. and easier and more susceptible to KO. Do you watch any boxing/MMA at ALL? But that whole argument is IRRELEVANT.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You LOVE to [B]make things up, don't you?!

Let's revisit that portion of my sidestep, shall we?[/b]

Not really. Now watch:

I asked:
Were Bill's blows powerful?

You answered:
He's a mid-herald level. OF COURSE his blows were powerful. Just weren't powerful enough to hurt the Surfer. While Surfer's blows were easily powerful enough to hurt BRB.

Not sure what Bill being ranked a at has to do with anything. Any actual proof they were powerful? Or...?

You. then, out of ignorance or intentional sidestepping, asked me a red herring:
Do you believe that distance thrown and the sound effect is a CLEAR and CONCISE indication of how much DAMAGE was dealt between opponents?

Originally posted by Spire
No, son. Yet when in the same book, same pages powerful blows that launch people and give off sound effects and then other wimpy attacks that don't launch or have sound effects... Pretty much answers your question.

Now stop trolling and making false statements about not having your questions answered.

Your local library should have a whole section on English. Since English isn't your first language, you would do well to pick up some workbooks on Reading Comprehension.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Which you never answered, btw. :-/

You know, [B]Lying in a debate isn't really good form.[/b]

You don't even know what is going on.

Now disconnect your modem.

Originally posted by Spire
Did you seriously just sidestep again and refuse to answer my questions, which were variations of my [b]original point in my first post?[/B]

Sidestep?? I'll answer your questions as soon as you answer mine. You accuse people of sidestepping and then use false accusations to sidestep their arguments. Again, there's a word for people like you.

Originally posted by Spire
Original points stands.

What? That only the first half of a fight counts (preferably the half where YOUR guy looks good)?? LOL. Your denial is just too much.

Originally posted by Spire
Concession noted.

Nice attempt at avoiding the debate.

Originally posted by Spire
You're done, obviously, but I'll go ahead and reply to your long-winded theatrical off-topic sidesteps.

Just for fun.

Off-topic?? I've replied to each of your posts on a per-post basis. While you just toss insults and accusations whenever your argument gets crushed.

You DO know that only works in pre-school right?

Originally posted by Spire
Speculation. Any proof they were powerful?

The damage they deal in relation to the durability of the target they dealt damage to?

Example: A punch that can hurt the Hulk is considered powerful (due to the Hulk's proven durability), even if it doesn't show distance throw or sound effects. Scan:

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/IH%20402/?action=view&current=Hulkv240221.jpg

Are you that dense that you can't grasp that simple concept?

Originally posted by Spire
Not really. Now watch:

I asked:
Were Bill's blows powerful?

You answered:
He's a mid-herald level. OF COURSE his blows were powerful. Just weren't powerful enough to hurt the Surfer. While Surfer's blows were easily powerful enough to hurt BRB.

Not sure what Bill being ranked a at has to do with anything. Any actual proof they were powerful? Or...?

Again, the damage dealt vs BRB's PROVEN durability is an acceptable means of determining power in a VS forum (like when punches that can hurt the Hulk are considered powerful even though it didn't go "ZWAMM!"😉, if you don't like it, then maybe you're debating in the wrong place.

Originally posted by Spire
You. then, out of ignorance or intentional sidestepping, asked me a red herring:
Do you believe that distance thrown and the sound effect is a CLEAR and CONCISE indication of how much DAMAGE was dealt between opponents?

No, son. Yet when in the same book, same pages powerful blows that launch people and give off sound effects and then other wimpy attacks that don't launch or have sound effects... Pretty much answers your question.

Ok, I'll concede a misinterpretation (unlike you, I'm man enough to recant a statement that was made due to a misinterpretation) of your meaning basically because in the same sentence you say you DON'T believe it's a clear indicator, you THEN allude to the possibility that it is. Contradicting yourself in the same sentence seemed nonsensical to me, but I guess that possibility is not beyond you. Thus, I recant my statement of you not answering my questions. You answered it, just retardedly.

As courtesy, I'll answer yours:

Originally posted by Spire
What happened when Surfer fired energy blasts?

BRB used Stormbreaker's ability to absorb energy to defend himself against the Energy blasts.

Originally posted by Spire
What happened when Surfer rushed Bill?

BRB was able to inflict the first 2 hits. I have always believed that BRB is the superior H2H fighter between the two, skill-wise.

Originally posted by Spire
What happened when Surfer got close?

The first time? See above.

Originally posted by Spire
Did Surfer Block, avoid, or dodge Bills H2H?

There was no indication of the Surfer trying to avoid, block or dodge the attacks.

There, answered. Fully, honestly and with complete courtesy. I stuck to the point and made no secondary comments beyond the questions asked. Hope you are able to do the same.

Your turn:

Did the Surfer receive any visible damage from BRB's hits (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Did the Surfer's blows deal any visible damage to BRB (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

At the end of the fight, was BRB in a fetal position (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Does being in a fetal position indicate a loss for BRB (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Originally posted by Spire
Now stop trolling and making false statements about not having your questions answered.

False accusations? You mean false accusations like this?:

Originally posted by Spire
And you respond with random off topic stuff like, 'Person 2's durability' or 'VS forum fights'' or 'Durability is important in a fight',

Again, if you believe those were "random off topic stuff" instead of a full point-per-point reply of your arguments, then maybe you should:

Originally posted by Spire
Your local library should have a whole section on English. Since English isn't your first language, you would do well to pick up some workbooks on Reading Comprehension.

Sadly, if English IS your first language, then I feel sorry for you...

Originally posted by Spire
You don't even know what is going on.

Kettle, meet Pot.

Originally posted by Spire
Now disconnect your modem.

Only if you promise to never ever spawn (just keep being yourself and you'll be fine.). I worry for the species.

Edit. Thought about it and decided to answer your questions first as a courtesy. Sadly, I can no longer edit my first statement of waiting for your answer before answering your questions.

I'm still reading a lot of theatrics, babble, etc. Even though we're done, I'll reply the guts of your post, since you kept sidestepping to the end and for that, you deserve the smallest of credit.

Well, that and the fact I truly believe that you don't what you're doing.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
What? That only the first half of a fight counts (preferably the half where YOUR guy looks good)?? LOL. Your denial is just too much.

The first part was the fight. It was over as soon as the blindside happened.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The damage they deal in relation to the durability of the target they dealt damage to?

Example: A punch that can hurt the Hulk is considered powerful (due to the Hulk's proven durability), even if it doesn't show distance throw or sound effects. Scan:

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/IH%20402/?action=view&current=Hulkv240221.jpg

Are you that dense that you can't grasp that simple concept?

Again, the damage dealt vs BRB's PROVEN durability is an acceptable means of determining power in a VS forum (like when punches that can hurt the Hulk are considered powerful even though it didn't go "ZWAMM!"😉, if you don't like it, then maybe you're debating in the wrong place.

*Sigh*

You're not understanding my point/what I am saying.

Take Thanos because he is super durable. Then take Cyclops because he is cool and stuff.

Scenario 1:
Cyclops- H2H's Thanos
Thanos - nothing happens

Scenario 2:
Cyclops - H2H's Thanos with his most powerful blow
Thanos - nothing happens
Cyclops - breaks every bone in his arm

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Your turn:

Sure, if it will make you feel better. I understand what you're thinking to accomplish. Although, it has nothing to do with my argument or anything I argued against.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Did the Surfer receive any visible damage from BRB's hits?

No.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Did the Surfer's blows deal any visible damage to BRB?

Yes.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
At the end of the fight, was BRB in a fetal position?

Yep.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Does being in a fetal position indicate a loss for BRB?

Technically.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Sidestep?? I'll answer your questions as soon as you answer mine. You accuse people of sidestepping and then use false accusations to sidestep their arguments. Again, there's a word for people like you.

What? That only the first half of a fight counts (preferably the half where YOUR guy looks good)?? LOL. Your denial is just too much.

Nice attempt at avoiding the debate.

Off-topic?? I've replied to each of your posts on a per-post basis. While you just toss insults and accusations whenever your argument gets crushed.

You DO know that only works in pre-school right?

The damage they deal in relation to the durability of the target they dealt damage to?

Example: A punch that can hurt the Hulk is considered powerful (due to the Hulk's proven durability), even if it doesn't show distance throw or sound effects. Scan:

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/IH%20402/?action=view&current=Hulkv240221.jpg

Are you that dense that you can't grasp that simple concept?

Again, the damage dealt vs BRB's PROVEN durability is an acceptable means of determining power in a VS forum (like when punches that can hurt the Hulk are considered powerful even though it didn't go "ZWAMM!"😉, if you don't like it, then maybe you're debating in the wrong place.

Ok, I'll concede a misinterpretation (unlike you, I'm man enough to recant a statement that was made due to a misinterpretation) of your meaning basically because in the same sentence you say you DON'T believe it's a clear indicator, you THEN allude to the possibility that it is. Contradicting yourself in the same sentence seemed nonsensical to me, but I guess that possibility is not beyond you. Thus, I recant my statement of you not answering my questions. You answered it, just retardedly.

As courtesy, I'll answer yours:

BRB used Stormbreaker's ability to absorb energy to defend himself against the Energy blasts.

BRB was able to inflict the first 2 hits. I have always believed that BRB is the superior H2H fighter between the two, skill-wise.

The first time? See above.

There was no indication of the Surfer trying to avoid, block or dodge the attacks.

There, answered. Fully, honestly and with complete courtesy. I stuck to the point and made no secondary comments beyond the questions asked. Hope you are able to do the same.

Your turn:

Did the Surfer receive any visible damage from BRB's hits (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Did the Surfer's blows deal any visible damage to BRB (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

At the end of the fight, was BRB in a fetal position (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

Does being in a fetal position indicate a loss for BRB (yes/no)?
(WRITE YOUR ANSWER HERE)

False accusations? You mean false accusations like this?:

Again, if you believe those were "random off topic stuff" instead of a full point-per-point reply of your arguments, then maybe you should:

Sadly, if English IS your first language, then I feel sorry for you...

Kettle, meet Pot.

Only if you promise to never ever spawn (just keep being yourself and you'll be fine.). I worry for the species.

Originally posted by Spire
I'm still reading a lot of theatrics, babble, etc. Even though we're done, I'll reply the guts of your post, since you kept sidestepping to the end and for that, you deserve the smallest of credit.

And there lies your problem. You mistake points/arguments for theatrics. Instead of attacking the points, you keep attacking the person. Sadly, this has caused the debate to degenerate into a few decent points mixed into several pages of personal attacks, I'm partly to blame for that, I guess, so I'm gonna be the adult here and be the first to stop with the flaming.

When you're finally willing to grow up and do a point-for-point debate, I'm still here to take you on. I still believe your argument is weak and I'm willing to prove it purely on a point-for-point basis minus the current flame war.

Originally posted by Spire
Well, that and the fact I truly believe that you don't what you're doing.

See above.

Originally posted by Spire
The first part was the fight. It was over as soon as the blindside happened.

No, a fight ends when a clear winner has been determined. The fight ended when the Surfer stood over BRB asking him to stand down.

Originally posted by Spire

*Sigh*

You're not understanding my point/what I am saying.

Take Thanos because he is super durable. Then take Cyclops because he is cool and stuff.

Scenario 1:
Cyclops- H2H's Thanos
Thanos - nothing happens

Scenario 2:
Cyclops - H2H's Thanos with his most powerful blow
Thanos - nothing happens
Cyclops - breaks every bone in his arm

This example is not exactly what you were trying argue for the past several pages or so. If you have an argument that comes from this example, I'll be glad to hear it. As it is, I see little relevance of the example to your last few pages of arguments.

Originally posted by Spire
Sure, if it will make you feel better. I understand what you're thinking to accomplish. Although, it has nothing to do with my argument or anything I argued against.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Did the Surfer receive any visible damage from BRB's hits?

Originally posted by Spire
No.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Did the Surfer's blows deal any visible damage to BRB?

Originally posted by Spire
Yes.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
At the end of the fight, was BRB in a fetal position?

Originally posted by Spire
Yep.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Does being in a fetal position indicate a loss for BRB?

Originally posted by Spire
Technically.

In closing, my argument has always been that BRB was owned in this fight. The answers you provided to the questions I posted clearly indicate that.

The board blitz might not be a tactic you like, but it's a valid tactic. Also, there will be many other ways the Surfer can take down BRB due to the sheer variety of his powerset.

I would like to say that due to Thor and BRB being equal, BRB could take a win or 2 from the Surfer. Sadly, with this fight as a basis, it was shown that Surfer's durability is beyond BRB's ability to inflict any considerable damage while Surfer's attacks easily overwhelm BRB's durability. So that leaves me with putting Surfer at a 10/10 vs BRB.

Which has completely 0 relevance to this thread and would really like to transfer any subsequent arguments to the BRB vs SS thread.

Back to the thread at hand, Team 2 wins due to Surfer amping Supes (6-7/10)

Originally posted by lawest9
These links doesn't work!

My apologies, this should work:

http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Battle/IH%20402/?action=view&current=Hulkv240221.jpg

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
And there lies your problem. You mistake points/arguments for theatrics. Instead of attacking the points, you keep attacking the person. Sadly, this has caused the debate to degenerate into a few decent points mixed into several pages of personal attacks, I'm partly to blame for that, I guess, so I'm gonna be the adult here and be the first to stop with the flaming.

When you're finally willing to grow up and do a point-for-point debate, I'm still here to take you on. I still believe your argument is weak and I'm willing to prove it purely on a point-for-point basis minus the current flame war.

Lol.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
No, a fight ends when a clear winner has been determined. The fight ended when the Surfer stood over BRB asking him to stand down.

The fight ended when Bill was blindsided.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This example is not exactly what you were trying argue for the past several pages or so. If you have an argument that comes from this example, I'll be glad to hear it. As it is, I see little relevance of the example to your last few pages of arguments.

So now you're telling me what I am arguing?

However, I never really wanted/planned to make an argument out of it, so you/we can leave it at that if you want.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
In closing, my argument has always been that BRB was owned in this fight. The answers you provided to the questions I posted clearly indicate that.

Which is what I argued against. Being shutdown, and needing to blindside someone is hardly an owning. Next, mention Surfer is the one this happened to and it starts to look even worse.

If you are trying to argue Surfer punching Bill as an owning, it is without merit as we both agree:

Originally posted by Spire
So unexpected attacks that hit you in the back of the neck, of all places, doesn't make you weakened, disoriented, stunned, shocked, off balance, dizzy, etc., and easier or more susceptible to KO?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I've already answered this question. ANY strong hit can make you weakened, disoriented, stunned, shocked, off balance, dizzy, etc. and easier and more susceptible to KO?

All it did was ensure victory.

Further, if I wanted to nitpick I could by pointing out Surfer failed to KO Bill and the blood disappeared in the next panel.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The board blitz might not be a tactic you like, but it's a valid tactic. Also, there will be many other ways the Surfer can take down BRB due to the sheer variety of his powerset.

The exact same can be said for Beta Ray Bill. He can counter the board blitz easily.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I would like to say that due to Thor and BRB being equal, BRB could take a win or 2 from the Surfer. Sadly, with this fight as a basis, it was shown that Surfer's durability is beyond BRB's ability to inflict any considerable damage while Surfer's attacks easily overwhelm BRB's durability. So that leaves me with putting Surfer at a 10/10 vs BRB.

That doesn't make any sense. If you consider Thor and Beta Ray Bill equal, then how in the hell is Thor unable to inflict considerable damage? Do you know who Thor is and what the record Thor has against Silver Surfer? Have you read any of their encounters?

Also if you believe them to be equal, then how in the hell, can Silver Surfer attacks easily overwhelm someone the equal of Thor? His going to succeed where Celestials, Odin, and Galactus failed against Thor's level of durability right?

If you believe someone the equal of Thor would lose 10/10 against Silver Surfer then I'm just....wow.....

Shit, I'll even do a battle zone with you if you believe that.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Which has completely 0 relevance to this thread and would really like to transfer any subsequent arguments to the BRB vs SS thread.

Back to the thread at hand, Team 2 wins due to Surfer amping Supes (6-7/10)

Either one from Team 1 can just as easily negate the amping.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The exact same can be said for Beta Ray Bill. He can counter the board blitz easily.

Never showed on panel that he could. It could be that he was distracted, or it could be that it was too fast for him to react to. However, in a VS forum fight, the board blitz is a viable strategy and I don't believe BRB could counter it so easily if the Surfer presses on with a frontal energy attack and do a rear board attack.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That doesn't make any sense. If you consider Thor and Beta Ray Bill equal, then how in the hell is Thor unable to inflict considerable damage? Do you know who Thor is and what the record Thor has against Silver Surfer? Have you read any of their encounters?

Also if you believe them to be equal, then how in the hell, can Silver Surfer attacks easily overwhelm someone the equal of Thor? His going to succeed where Celestials, Odin, and Galactus failed against Thor's level of durability right?

Like I said, I would like to say that BRB and Thor are equal, but if we use this comic as a basis, due to the fact that BRB was unable to inflict any damage to the Surfer, it's apparent that either:
1) Thor and BRB aren't equal (some would argue that Thor had an amp during those times, but I won't).
2) This confirms that SS has had an upgrade since his encounters with Thor.

Though, we could always bring out the "PIS" rule here.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you believe someone the equal of Thor would lose 10/10 against Silver Surfer then I'm just....wow.....

Like I said, I would like to say that they are equal (I've always thought they were). But recent showings can point out to the two possibilities I listed above.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Shit, I'll even do a battle zone with you if you believe that.

I would never argue that SS would beat Thor. I've always maintained that Thor was FAR more versatile (and had shown to have a stronger power output, given certain circumstances) than BRB and THAT would potentially give him 6/10 with Pre-Annihilation Surfer (it was never established that the SS got an upgrade in Annihilation and so I won't argue that here).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Either one from Team 1 can just as easily negate the amping.

I've always seen the Surfer as the fastest here, put SS and Supes on the board, fight defensively the first few minutes while he amps Supes and just unleash amped Kryptonian hell on Thor while the Surfer stalemates (tho I believe he can easily beat the GL) the GL.

If members are still debating Surfer empowering Superman with Power of Cosmic. Keep in mind that Hal can do the same with Thor, if not grant him a duplicate ring.

Originally posted by Spire
Lol.

Again, I'm just gonna go and debate point-for-point.

Originally posted by Spire
The fight ended when Bill was blindsided.

As long as violent action is still occurring, it's still considered a fight.

Originally posted by Spire
So now you're telling me what I am arguing?

However, I never really wanted/planned to make an argument out of it, so you/we can leave it at that if you want.

No. I'm saying that I don't see the point of that statement as having relevance to what you have been arguing. However, I also pointed out that I may have misconstrued your meaning and would like a clearer explanation of what exactly the point of the example was.

Originally posted by Spire
Which is what I argued against. Being shutdown, and needing to blindside someone is hardly an owning. Next, mention Surfer is the one this happened to and it starts to look even worse.

I've always viewed being "shutdown" as being unable to do ANYTHING to an opponent when you've used all your resources and capabilities. The scan only shows that BRB was able to defend against the first few attacks the Surfer made. The Surfer compensated using his other powerset and then bypassed BRB's defenses easily.

I disagree on your frequent use of the word: "blindside" (implying to the possibility that it could have been a cheap trick tat allowed the Surfer to win), if you keep focusing on a guy's hands and didn't notice his kick (w/c was outside your current view), would that be a blindside?

The way I interpret the board blitz occurred, Surfer distracted him with a frontal energy attack to distract him and leave him open to a rear physical attack. Many consider this type of maneuver a "feint".

Also, I can almost always see this move working repeatedly in a forum fight as it is an extremely viable way to bypass BRB's strong defense against energy attacks.

Originally posted by Spire
If you are trying to argue Surfer punching Bill as an owning, it is without merit as we both agree:

All it did was ensure victory.

No, I consider the outcome as the reason why it was an owning. BRB and SS exchanged attacks and the Surfer came out pretty much unscathed and BRB got bloodied, beaten and was in fetal position. THAT, my friend, is an owning.

Originally posted by Spire
Further, if I wanted to nitpick I could by pointing out Surfer failed to KO Bill and the blood disappeared in the next panel.

That's nitpicking, yeah. 😛 Even then, at best, that would be a good feat for BRB's ability to recover/heal or, at worst, just the artist neglecting to draw the blood.

I am totally confused on how people can view Godhunter as favorable to Bill with regards to his fight with the Surfer. Did I miss Godhunter issue #2.5 where BRB beat Surfer?