G.Lantern, Thor vs Superman, Silver Surfer.

Because it's a one-off scan that, if taken literally, implies that Hal's reaction time/movement is far faster than lightspeed, and thus contradicting pretty much everything as far as GL's are portrayed ? Not to mention that it's pre Crisis and no matter what everybody says no, it doesn't apply.

It was a scan that I posted soley to laugh at nanosecond statements actually meaning anything (like another one-off statement, when Surfer went all 'I've only got a nanosecond left' which, funnily enough holds far less weight as far as debates go, since this one is actually narration and not character spoken) when, it's obvious that Green Lanterns like Hal, human Green Lanterns, have nowhere near that level of speed. By the same line of thinking, I can make Byrne era Superman faster than light, with nanosecond type of statements.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Because it's a one-off scan that, if taken literally, implies that Hal's reaction time/movement is far faster than lightspeed, and thus contradicting pretty much everything as far as GL's are portrayed ? Not to mention that it's pre Crisis and no matter what everybody says no, it doesn't apply.

It was a scan that I posted soley to laugh at nanosecond statements actually meaning anything (like another one-off statement, when Surfer went all 'I've only got a nanosecond left' which, funnily enough holds far less weight as far as debates go, since this one is actually narration and not character spoken) when, it's obvious that Green Lanterns like Hal, human Green Lanterns, have nowhere near that level of speed. By the same line of thinking, I can make Byrne era Superman faster than light, with nanosecond type of statements.

So you don't think that a human Green Lantern can react to Superman?

Do you think Hal is able to see a photon coming at him in slow motion ?

Seriously, it's ridiculous to use this kind of scans as any kind of evidence.

Team 1.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Do you think Hal is able to see a photon coming at him in slow motion ?

Seriously, it's ridiculous to use this kind of scans as any kind of evidence.

I agree that it's ridiculous, considering the scale of the feat. Just like you mentioned saying that you only have like a second left is stupid, since the second should've passed by then. I would like to know however to what extent you think Hal amplifies his perception and/or physique.

Wow Hals Jock strap is about to tear with all you people clinging on to it for dear life.

Team one Dies

SS and Superman complement each other too well
Even if you crazy bat shit bastards think that Hal can hang with supes and thor vs SS
What well you say when the stupid ring depletes. Quite Frankly Team one doesnt even have the durability to call this a close match with Hal being the Weak link. Good Bye!

Originally posted by Philosophía
Do you think Hal is able to see a photon coming at him in slow motion ?

Seriously, it's ridiculous to use this kind of scans as any kind of evidence.

I think its within reason. If they will it, it can happen. Why would that be any different with augmenting one's speed?

Team 1 7-8 out 10

Team 1 can take Supes out fast "green lantern thru his weakness"

It should be fairly even match besides that. Any amping Surfer does i can see either Thor or GL countering it.

Originally posted by id369
I think its within reason. If they will it, it can happen. Why would that be any different with augmenting one's speed?

You think its within reason that Hal is capable of amping his reaction time/movement speed virtually instantly to nanosecond-time, by 'willing it' ?

I'd laugh, but it's pretty sad to be honest.

In fact, take a look at the scan again. Closely. Hal says:

"Now to find out what's at the bottom of this mystery!!"

*cut to narration*

"Green Lantern's speed is only limited by his will -- and it is mere nano-seconds before"

The dots may not connect, so I'm going to explain. Look at the chronology of what the panels show. Once Hal finishes his last line, the narration makes it clear that it is mere nanoseconds before Hal reaches the destination. So, according to you, he wills his speed into nanosecond reaction time, in the time between the last sentence and him reaching his destination, time which itself is nanoseconds. So that means that in the space of a few nanoseconds Hal amps his reaction time to nanosecond time, him already having had nanosecond reaction time since he is able to perform this feat in the first place.

Holy moley, LOGIC!

But I'm sure Hal, while in his unamped mode (since he had not yet 'willed' himself that fast) being capable in the space of nanoseconds to amping his speed to nanosecond time (?!) is far more logical than the nanosecond line being used purely as hyperbole and suggesting that Hal was simply travelling very fast.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I agree that it's ridiculous, considering the scale of the feat. Just like you mentioned saying that you only have like a second left is stupid, since the second should've passed by then. I would like to know however to what extent you think Hal amplifies his perception and/or physique.

I'm not sure how much they can amp their speed (and even if they can, it's most certainly not 'I'll just will it', so doing it mid-battle is doubtfull) but both Hal and John have slowed down persons and/or time, post Crisis, so that's still applicable. In a sense, if they get a moment's breath, they could potentially fight a speedster on even ground by slowing him down and not necesarilly amping themselves up.

Hal Jordan has KO'd Superman before, so it becomes a question of Thor vs SS and I give it to Thor.

If Jordan can repeat the KO this is over quick, no way Surfer can take a Thor/GL duo.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm not sure how much they can amp their speed (and even if they can, it's most certainly not 'I'll just will it', so doing it mid-battle is doubtfull) but both Hal and John have slowed down persons and/or time, post Crisis, so that's still applicable. In a sense, if they get a moment's breath, they could potentially fight a speedster on even ground by slowing him down and not necesarilly amping themselves up.

I'm reading "If not caught off guard, lanterns can handle speed to a certain degree" Close?

Originally posted by Philosophía
You think its within reason that Hal is capable of amping his reaction time/movement speed virtually instantly to nanosecond-time, by 'willing it' ?

I'd laugh, but it's pretty sad to be honest.

In fact, take a look at the scan again. Closely. Hal says:

"Now to find out what's at the bottom of this mystery!!"

*cut to narration*

"Green Lantern's speed is only limited by his will -- [b]and it is mere nano-seconds before"

The dots may not connect, so I'm going to explain. Look at the chronology of what the panels show. Once Hal finishes his last line, the narration makes it clear that it is mere nanoseconds before Hal reaches the destination. So, according to you, he wills his speed into nanosecond reaction time, in the time between the last sentence and him reaching his destination, time which itself is nanoseconds. So that means that in the space of a few nanoseconds Hal amps his reaction time to nanosecond time, him already having had nanosecond reaction time since he is able to perform this feat in the first place.

Holy moley, LOGIC!

But I'm sure Hal, while in his unamped mode (since he had not yet 'willed' himself that fast) being capable in the space of nanoseconds to amping his speed to nanosecond time (?!) is far more logical than the nanosecond line being used purely as hyperbole and suggesting that Hal was simply travelling very fast.

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Surfer can amp Superman and can defend Supes from any weakness exploit the other team tries. Thor is back to Classic Levels now, so it isn't going to be easy for them to deal with Current Post Annihilation Surfer.

I say Team 2 wins at 6-7/10.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You think its within reason that Hal is capable of amping his reaction time/movement speed virtually instantly to nanosecond-time, by 'willing it' ?

I'd laugh, but it's pretty sad to be honest.

In fact, take a look at the scan again. Closely. Hal says:

"Now to find out what's at the bottom of this mystery!!"

*cut to narration*

"Green Lantern's speed is only limited by his will -- [b]and it is mere nano-seconds before"
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....just another viewpoint.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer can amp Superman and can defend Supes from any weakness exploit the other team tries. Thor is back to Classic Levels now, so it isn't going to be easy for them to deal with Current Post Annihilation Surfer.

I say Team 2 wins at 6-7/10.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what power allows Thor to deal with someone who moves as fast as Flash and can fly?

Originally posted by Starscream M
hmmm, ok. thanks for the info. why doesn't he use it more often...does it drain him?

prolly the same reason superman man dont vibrate through stuff. Its just one of thoses things that is possible to do but its not seen much.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'm reading "If not caught off guard, lanterns can handle speed to a certain degree" Close?

Yes.

Even when caught off-guard, it depends what level of speed/strength/energy projection the opponent posesses since their automatic shields, when not jobbing, are quite difficult to overcome.

Originally posted by id369
I figured comic books where silly that way. But hey if you want to throw a fit about, be my guest.

I'm generally an asshole when I strongly disagree with/find something illogical. So sorry about that.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes.

Even when caught off-guard, it depends what level of speed/strength/energy projection the opponent posesses since their automatic shields, when not jobbing, are quite difficult to overcome.

That's true, didn't think of the auto shields.

I'm not sure what to say about the black rings killing lanterns. The rings ARE strong enough to break through bubbles and shields, so we can't really say that Johns is flat out ignoring 'em.

split unless superman starts vibrating