G.Lantern, Thor vs Superman, Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not holding back? Nah, Superman is not beating Thor.

His speed is dangerous, but with his power set he can easily protect himself against it.

I'm afraid he is, Thor is not smart and he doesn't have the speed. Do you see the stupid battle tactics Thor uses against Hulk, terrible 😘
Gladiator has also owned Thor with blitzes, duck the hammer and blitz the hell out of Thor before he can swing again
Its true the hammer has got some great feats, Godblasts, stopping time but IMO Thor does not have the brains to use the hammer. Even with OdinForce he lost to Rulk
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Thor lacks the brains so he will go down to Superman

Today's Surfer, has destroyed everything he faced so far, did you see how badly and how quick he owned BRB and he might have been actually holding back in that cos him and Beta Ray Bill were old buddies
Hal and Kyle were already gonna get owned by a classic peaceful version of Surfer
Can you imagine how badly they get beat by a cosmic guy amped up on steroids and given a nasty attitude?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That's true, didn't think of the auto shields.

I'm not sure what to say about the black rings killing lanterns. The rings ARE strong enough to break through bubbles and shields, so we can't really say that Johns is flat out ignoring 'em.

You shouldn't really be trying to make sense of how Johns portrays his characters powerlevel-wise. At any moment a character can, no matter his already established powerlevel, look awful just to put other characters in a good light.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You shouldn't really be trying to make sense of how Johns portrays his characters powerlevel-wise. At any moment a character can, no matter his already established powerlevel, look awful just to put other characters in a good light.

I've noticed as much 😄

Originally posted by Firestormed
I'm afraid he is, Thor is not smart and he doesn't have the speed. Do you see the stupid battle tactics Thor uses against Hulk, terrible 😘
Gladiator has also owned Thor with blitzes, duck the hammer and blitz the hell out of Thor before he can swing again
Its true the hammer has got some great feats, Godblasts, stopping time but IMO Thor does not have the brains to use the hammer. Even with OdinForce he lost to Rulk
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Thor lacks the brains so he will go down to Superman

Actually Thor does have super speed. Not on the level of Superman of course, but he does have the reflexes that he can handle his speed.

What battle tactics? You mean the plot forcing him to go toe to toe and not use his power set? We can say that about Superman's battles with other characters as well.

Thor's also used his power set when pissed off. He one shotted the Hulk in the past with a lightning bolt.

When has Gladiator owned Thor? His speed didn't prevent him losing to Masterson. He did knock out Blake when the future Gladiator fought Thor. That's the closest his got to an owning.

Dude, Thor's been fighting almost as long as the Earth's been spinning. He knows perfectly well how to use his power set effectively. It's plot that stops him.

That fight with the Rulk = Plot Induced Stupidity.

Do you want me to use the time Konvict one shotted Superman as an example? All his supposed speed did was let him fly face first into a fist. What did he try to do? Block the punch with his face?

Originally posted by Firestormed
Today's Surfer, has destroyed everything he faced so far, did you see how badly and how quick he owned BRB and he might have been actually holding back in that cos him and Beta Ray Bill were old buddies
Hal and Kyle were already gonna get owned by a classic peaceful version of Surfer
Can you imagine how badly they get beat by a cosmic guy amped up on steroids and given a nasty attitude?

Badly owned Bill? He was knocked down, then used his board as a cheap shot. He then punched Bill. We later go on to see Bill rolled up in some kind of cosmic bubble. Bill didn't even try to fight back. He apparently forgot he can absorb/manipulate energy with Stormbreaker apparently. Thor's owned Bill on more than one occasion. His owned Bill "and" Surfer at once in the past.

They wouldn't get owned. They have the power to hang with him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Badly owned Bill? He was knocked down, then used his board as a cheap shot. He then punched Bill. We later go on to see Bill rolled up in some kind of cosmic bubble. Bill didn't even try to fight back. He apparently forgot he can absorb/manipulate energy with Stormbreaker apparently. Thor's owned Bill on more than one occasion. His owned Bill "and" Surfer at once in the past.

As much as I do agree that a fight between Thor and Surfer would end differently from a fight between BRB and Surfer (Thor is far more versatile with his powers). It was already proven on the BRB vs SS thread that BRB was, indeed, owned.

But it was off panel. We don't know what happened.

Beta Ray Bill downs Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer uses his board to hit him from behind and punches him once. Next we see Bill, trapped in a cosmic ball of energy. Why didn't he use Stormbreakers powers or say his strength to break out? Plot? Maybe some unseen circumstances? Who knows.

I don't know. I would always have a straight up fight than an off panel win.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
As much as I do agree that a fight between Thor and Surfer would end differently from a fight between BRB and Surfer (Thor is far more versatile with his powers). It was already proven on the BRB vs SS thread that BRB was, indeed, owned.

LOL i think that was you and I argueing about it for 4 pages.

BIll got owned and it was clear the SS fought smart however that doesn't change the fact the SS and BRB are in the same league and that Surfer board attack won't be effective much agaisnt anyone ready for it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But it was off panel. We don't know what happened.

Beta Ray Bill downs Silver Surfer. Silver Surfer uses his board to hit him from behind and punches him once. Next we see Bill, trapped in a cosmic ball of energy. Why didn't he use Stormbreakers powers or say his strength to break out? Plot? Maybe some unseen circumstances? Who knows.

I don't know. I would always have a straight up fight than an off panel win.

He wasn't trapped in a cosmic ball of energy, he was in a fetal position from being owned too hard. :-/

Edit. The energy "aura" you see is BRB's own Aura (they depicted Surfer's energy as blue/white and BRB's energy as yellow/red in that fight).

Originally posted by DarkOdin
LOL i think that was you and I argueing about it for 4 pages.

BIll got owned and it was clear the SS fought smart however that doesn't change the fact the SS and BRB are in the same league and that Surfer board attack won't be effective much agaisnt anyone ready for it.

Nah, I also mentioned that the board attack will work more often than not (and will prolly be the most ideal strategy to deal with Bill or Thor). As I mentioned before, Bill uses Stormbreaker to absorb a frontal energy attack but it would most likely leave him vulnerable from a rear physical attack from the board.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
He wasn't trapped in a cosmic ball of energy, he was in a fetal position from being owned too hard. :-/

Edit. The energy "aura" you see is BRB's own Aura (they depicted Surfer's energy as blue/white and BRB's energy as yellow/red in that fight).

Again how was he owned? It all happened off panel. All we saw is one punch, and I highly doubt Silver Surfer one shotted him with a single punch to the face.

How do you figure that? The energy clearly isn't originating from Stormbreaker. His in a completely fetal position not doing anything and not even grasping his weapon completely.

Silver Surfer's energy projection has been yellow in the past. It really doesn't matter.

Team 1 barely wins only because Superman lacks the vast versatility possessed by the others.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again how was he owned? It all happened off panel. All we saw is one punch, and I highly doubt Silver Surfer one shotted him with a single punch to the face.

The results should show the ownage. BRB struck the Surfer 2x and barely even registered an ouch. Surfer struck him twice on panel after a surfboard hit (not once) and made him bleed. In the end, it was the Surfer's own words ("...you cannot match me..."😉 that should have made it clear how the writer wanted to portray the matchup.

There really should be no confusion (and I'd really rather not repeat 4+ pages of arguments that I made in the SS vs BRB thread), that was a clear ownage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How do you figure that? The energy clearly isn't originating from Stormbreaker. His in a completely fetal position not doing anything and not even grasping his weapon completely.

Silver Surfer's energy projection has been yellow in the past. It really doesn't matter.

It's really quite obvious, again the artist was very explicit on how he depicted BRB's and SS's energy aura during that series. Just because Surfer's energy has been depicted a certain way by OTHER artists in the past shouldn't be confused with how THIS artists wanted to depict Surfer's energy during THIS issue/series. Again, different artists, different styles. :-/

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The results should show the ownage. BRB struck the Surfer 2x and barely even registered an ouch. Surfer struck him twice on panel after a surfboard hit (not once) and made him bleed. In the end, it was the Surfer's own words ("...you cannot match me..."😉 that should have made it clear how the writer wanted to portray the matchup.

There really should be no confusion (and I'd really rather not repeat 4+ pages of arguments that I made in the SS vs BRB thread), that was a clear ownage.

It's really quite obvious, again the artist was very explicit on how he depicted BRB's and SS's energy aura during that series. Just because Surfer's energy has been depicted a certain way by OTHER artists in the past shouldn't be confused with how THIS artists wanted to depict Surfer's energy during THIS issue/series. Again, different artists, different styles. :-/

😆 YEs your right BRB had little effect i mean it only surfer flying off his board.

THe battle show it quite clear Surfer tried a direct attack first BRB owned him sent him off his board Blasting Bill had no effect as Stormbreak defelect his blast.

BOth BRB and THOr have a major advantage over surfer Close combat Surfer his no match for the hammers and at a distant the hammer easy handle any of surfers attack. Both character didn't want to fight each other does all the talking. Like how Bill gave the speech to surfer when he was off his board and then when BRB was getting blasted by surfer. Both guy recovered from each other fast as seen when bill fled the battle. Both are herald level beings and shou;ld be considered equals. IF anything it was a poor showing for surfer as he could not can the upper hand agaisnt BRB without a cheap shot. Whcih would never happened again to BRB so next time then fight it should be a good fight.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
😆 YEs your right BRB had little effect i mean it only surfer flying off his board.

THe battle show it quite clear Surfer tried a direct attack first BRB owned him sent him off his board Blasting Bill had no effect as Stormbreak defelect his blast.

BOth BRB and THOr have a major advantage over surfer Close combat Surfer his no match for the hammers and at a distant the hammer easy handle any of surfers attack. Both character didn't want to fight each other does all the talking. Like how Bill gave the speech to surfer when he was off his board and then when BRB was getting blasted by surfer. Both guy recovered from each other fast as seen when bill fled the battle. Both are herald level beings and shou;ld be considered equals. IF anything it was a poor showing for surfer as he could not can the upper hand agaisnt BRB without a cheap shot. Whcih would never happened again to BRB so next time then fight it should be a good fight.

OMG! We're BACK to THIS now?? -_-

Edit. You've tried to make this argument before. It was met with little success... Do you really want me to paste like 4-5 pages of arguments here??? :-/

SS v BRB Fight Review

SS energy blasts = fail
SS FTLReflex Traveling Speed Bullrush = fail
SS FTLReflex Combat H2H skills = fail or N/A was already being owned
SS 'only' slumping to his feet from H2H hits = fail
SS number of successful attacks(H2H or energy blasts) thus far = 0
SS use of blindside attack because all others attacks fail = pass
SS H2H blows so immensely powerful that it caused opponent to move a couple inches and slump over in space, even after opponent took a board to the back of the head = pass
SS making self-hype statements that contradict his showing = pass

Verdict: SS owned BRB.

Originally posted by Spire
[b]SS v BRB Fight Review

SS energy blasts = fail
SS FTLReflex Traveling Speed Bullrush = fail
SS FTLReflex Combat H2H skills = fail or N/A was already being owned
SS 'only' slumping to his feet from H2H hits = fail
SS number of successful attacks(H2H or energy blasts) thus far = 0
SS use of blindside attack because all others attacks fail = pass
SS H2H blows so immensely powerful that it caused opponent to move a couple inches and slump over in space, even after opponent took a board to the back of the head = pass
SS making self-hype statements that contradict his showing = pass

Verdict: SS owned BRB. [/B]

Translation: "BRB got owned and I didn't like it so let's BLOW the first part of the fight out of proportion in favor of BRB and THEN downplay what occurred in the end, cuz... y'know, I can't take my hero getting dominated in a comic."

Verdict: SS OWNED BRB.

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Truly.

Originally posted by Philosophía

I'm generally an asshole when I strongly disagree with/find something illogical. So sorry about that.

Well anyhow, I figured Thor would benefit from enhanced speed with a duplicate GL ring. My comment, regarding if GL can amp his speed limited to his imagination and will didn’t come from that scan you posted.

http://h.imagehost.org/0779/Guy_Gardner-10-15.jpg

current surfer is more powerful than he was right?

Originally posted by Spire

Truly.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The results should show the ownage. BRB struck the Surfer 2x and barely even registered an ouch. Surfer struck him twice on panel after a surfboard hit (not once) and made him bleed. In the end, it was the Surfer's own words ("...you cannot match me..."😉 that should have made it clear how the writer wanted to portray the matchup.

There really should be no confusion (and I'd really rather not repeat 4+ pages of arguments that I made in the SS vs BRB thread), that was a clear ownage.

What ownage? You didn't even see the damn fight. It was off panel.

He strikes Silver Surfer twice, and drops him. Clearly it affected him.

I believe I mentioned the board. So he gets hit with the board and amped punch. That's two hits on panel. You're trying to tell me that enough to incapacitate Beta Ray Bill? That's bull shit. Clearly that's an off panel win. Beta Ray Bill should be capable of easily absorbing that energy around him and keep on going if that's the case. I don't know why he didn't.

Silver Surfer own words? Why the hell do I care about his words? I've seen plenty of characters boast of being superior and then get beat down in an upcoming fight.

Of course there would be confusion and debate in regards to the fight. Norrin hits someone like Beta Ray Bill, twice, it goes off panel, and we return to see Beta Ray Bill incapacitated in an energy field that he should be able to easily work against. How is that an ownage?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's really quite obvious, again the artist was very explicit on how he depicted BRB's and SS's energy aura during that series. Just because Surfer's energy has been depicted a certain way by OTHER artists in the past shouldn't be confused with how THIS artists wanted to depict Surfer's energy during THIS issue/series. Again, different artists, different styles. :-/

Energy aura's? What do you mean energy aura's?

All Beta Ray Bill did was swing Stormbreaker, and it released excess yellow colored energy. When he was down, he wasn't even grasping Stormbreaker really. It looked pretty clear that the energy was incapacitating Bill.

You can even clearly see the Silver Surfer attacks, that his energy is blue with yellow surrounding it. And then when Bill is down, it seems rather clear that the energy surrounding him was generated by Silver Surfer.

I don't see how you can come to your conclusion.

I've seen Silver Surfer vary between blue and yellow by the same artists really.