Originally posted by inimalist
oh, totallythe extremists don't scare me because of their religion, it is their sheer determination to do violence, and to raise their children to do violence, in the name of their religion against otherwise innocent people.
Ya see what my cynicism was about?
I REALLY grow tired of bullshit like this.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ya see what my cynicism was about?I REALLY grow tired of bullshit like this.
what's so bullshitty about it? [she stated with curiousity, b/c in no way does she want to start a fight]
there are, in every religion, groups who just go too far with the 'holy' materials and interpret them to such extreme places that it's truly scary. when someone thinks they have god's will, or allah's will, or whomever's will, behind them, what's to stop them from doing horrendous things? they're on a mission from god. it's very scary to know these people, although it's perversely awe-inspiring. they have a very easy path in life - do what maker tells them to. the wiser person questions things.
but with 'facts' so set in stone, they don't care about dying, because they know that they will be rewarded with heaven [and possibly 27 beautiful virgins] when they arrive there.
and when a person is willing to lose it all for a belief or cause or saving the whales or killing the whales - both the means and the ends they tend to produce are terrifying.
^well, at least i had the numbers right.
let's see.... hijab is the journey to mecca, jihad is the righteous killing of infidels? or the other way around or the wrong word. whichever it is, it is mentioned in the qu'ran.
and, i'm not catholic so i'm not sure what it says in the catholic bible, but somehow it was interpreted that you could buy your way out of purgatory, or how they justified the crusades.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ya see what my cynicism was about?I REALLY grow tired of bullshit like this.
what's so bullshitty about it? [she stated with curiousity, b/c in no way does she want to start a fight]
there are, in every religion, groups who just go too far with the 'holy' materials and interpret them to such extreme places that it's truly scary. when someone thinks they have god's will, or allah's will, or whomever's will, behind them, what's to stop them from doing horrendous things? they're on a mission from god. it's very scary to know these people, although it's perversely awe-inspiring. they have a very easy path in life - do what maker tells them to. the wiser person questions things.
but with 'facts' so set in stone, they don't care about dying, because they know that they will be rewarded with heaven [and possibly 27 beautiful virgins] when they arrive there.
and when a person is willing to lose it all for a belief or cause or saving the whales or killing the whales - both the means and the ends they tend to produce are terrifying.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
what's so bullshitty about it? [she stated with curiousity, b/c in no way does she want to start a fight]there are, in every religion, groups who just go too far with the 'holy' materials and interpret them to such extreme places that it's truly scary. when someone thinks they have god's will, or allah's will, or whomever's will, behind them, what's to stop them from doing horrendous things? they're on a mission from god. it's very scary to know these people, although it's perversely awe-inspiring. they have a very easy path in life - do what maker tells them to. the wiser person questions things.
but with 'facts' so set in stone, they don't care about dying, because they know that they will be rewarded with heaven [and possibly 27 beautiful virgins] when they arrive there.
and when a person is willing to lose it all for a belief or cause or saving the whales or killing the whales - both the means and the ends they tend to produce are terrifying.
I think you're confused about my post.
My response to inimalist is from a previous discussion we were having.
Originally posted by siriuswriter
hijab is the journey to mecca,
the journey to Mecca is the Hajj
Originally posted by siriuswriter
jihad is the righteous killing of infidels?
sometimes, more often in extreme ideology. For instance, in Morocco, they have the annual "Jihad against garbage" (or, at least in the city one of my profs grew up in).
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm also pretty sure that suicide is looked down upon, as in other religions.
Suicide bombings are justified in Islam from the days’ of Prophet Mohammad, the Taliban has said.Spokesperson of the reclusive leader of Afghanistan Taliban Mullah Omar, Zabiullah Mujahid said the Taliban is working for the sake of Islam.
“They sacrificed some people, friends of Muhammad, for the sake of Islam. This is part of the jihad and part of the fighting. We will fight them and we will target them,” Mujahid said.
I don't know enough about the Qur'an to comment on whether or not that is true, but even saying Mohammad knew members of his army were going to die as he sent them into war might be enough to construe something like that from.
The taking of innocent lives in a suicide bomb is justified in the same way that the use of catapults in medieval warfare was. Because there was no way to ensure that innocent Muslims would not be killed, it was deemed that the gains to the cause of the faith from their death outweighed it and they would be in paradise anyways.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Name one.
touche, though, as DJ mentioned, I don't run in too many supremacist crowds.
Most criminal organizations wont allow homosexual members, including street gangs, and I don't know that they all are religious
culture on a whole is fairly homophobic, religious or not. In the same sort of way that it is racist and misogynistic, only homophobia is way more socially acceptable.