Originally posted by Ize19
That was after Wolverine had been blasted by Rachel, crashed the X-Jet, been hit by Kitty Pryde in the head with a log, blasted in the back of the head by Cyclops, and stated that he had never been such a mess. He was not knocked out by Cap alone.
Doesn't make a difference. Cap knocked him out. That's all that matters in this argument. It doesn't matter how the rest of that damage was done. Damage to the body is the same regardless of the device, power, or force used to do it. A broken rib is a broken rib, and a KO is a KO. That Wolverine was knocked out at all with non-super-human strength is the point.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Does anyone understand circumstances? Why when something brought up negative about wolverine that context is completely ignored. Capt KO Wolverine after wolverine stated he had never been so messed up in his life, but lets ignore context shall we.No it hard to KO wolverine becuase as soon as damage is being amde his body is already healing it.
Being unconscious is not brain damage, even if sometimes brain damage is co-incurred and results in unconsciousness. In the most common KO's, like those in a boxing max, it's just the "shock" to the brain that KO's someone. Damage has nothing to do with it. It's purely force. Fatigue, oxygen deprivation, low blood circulation, and blood loss can contribute to the ease of KO'ing someone, as they all affect the brain, and they can also weaken someone's performance and ability to defend themselves or even brace for a hit, but a KO can easily be one swift uppercut to the chin on a completely unharmed and prepared man. Wolverine does not have superhuman durability. The adamantium laces his bones and doesn't protect anything more than the bones themselves do. His brain is the same as any normal human's in durability. One punch can KO him as much as any man. With a weapon if need be. The argument is purely that it's within a normal man's ability to KO Logan with physical melee blunt force with nothing more than something that can handle the impact against the adamantium. Like a baseball bat, Cap's shield, a reasonably sized rock...
Originally posted by Master Court
Doesn't make a difference. Cap knocked him out. That's all that matters in this argument. It doesn't matter how the rest of that damage was done. Damage to the body is the same regardless of the device, power, or force used to do it. A broken rib is a broken rib, and a KO is a KO. That Wolverine was knocked out at all with non-super-human strength is the point.Being unconscious is not brain damage, even if sometimes brain damage is co-incurred and results in unconsciousness. In the most common KO's, like those in a boxing max, it's just the "shock" to the brain that KO's someone. Damage has nothing to do with it. It's purely force. Fatigue, oxygen deprivation, low blood circulation, and blood loss can contribute to the ease of KO'ing someone, as they all affect the brain, and they can also weaken someone's performance and ability to defend themselves or even brace for a hit, but a KO can easily be one swift uppercut to the chin on a completely unharmed and prepared man. Wolverine does not have superhuman durability. The adamantium laces his bones and doesn't protect anything more than the bones themselves do. His brain is the same as any normal human's in durability. One punch can KO him as much as any man. With a weapon if need be. The argument is purely that it's within a normal man's ability to KO Logan with physical melee blunt force with nothing more than something that can handle the impact against the adamantium. Like a baseball bat, Cap's shield, a reasonably sized rock...
No, it matters, because Captain America's human level strength did not knock him out. Being blasted by Rachel, crashing an airplane, having the temperature lowered, being hit with a log in the back of the head, getting hit with one of Cyclops blasts in the back of the head, and being in the worst shape he's ever been in, PLUS Captain America's human level strength hitting him in the back of the head with an unbreakable object knocked him out. Saying anything else is lying.
Originally posted by Master Court
Doesn't make a difference. Cap knocked him out. That's all that matters in this argument. It doesn't matter how the rest of that damage was done. Damage to the body is the same regardless of the device, power, or force used to do it. A broken rib is a broken rib, and a KO is a KO. That Wolverine was knocked out at all with non-super-human strength is the point.Being unconscious is not brain damage, even if sometimes brain damage is co-incurred and results in unconsciousness. In the most common KO's, like those in a boxing max, it's just the "shock" to the brain that KO's someone. Damage has nothing to do with it. It's purely force. Fatigue, oxygen deprivation, low blood circulation, and blood loss can contribute to the ease of KO'ing someone, as they all affect the brain, and they can also weaken someone's performance and ability to defend themselves or even brace for a hit, but a KO can easily be one swift uppercut to the chin on a completely unharmed and prepared man. Wolverine does not have superhuman durability. The adamantium laces his bones and doesn't protect anything more than the bones themselves do. His brain is the same as any normal human's in durability. One punch can KO him as much as any man. With a weapon if need be. The argument is purely that it's within a normal man's ability to KO Logan with physical melee blunt force with nothing more than something that can handle the impact against the adamantium. Like a baseball bat, Cap's shield, a reasonably sized rock...
r u seriously ignoring decades of history known comic facts and circumstances when u wrote this garbage? 😠
Oh, for L. Ron's sake.
Cap finished him off. I'm not ignoring context. I'm saying it's clear Cap gave him the coupe de grace when he slammed his shield into the back of Logan's skull. That KO'd him. You think a child could do that just because he's got the shield? Cap's human strength with an object that can take the impact of Logan's skull. That's my point. And what difference does it make how he was worn down? Bodily damage is the same regardless of cause. Just because a super human blasts him doesn't mean "Oh, because it's super human it's going to work". Gorgon killed Wolverine without even using any powers, and Gorgon is otherwise completely human. I'm not saying any ol' average joe can or WILL KO him, but don't you think someone like Batman has a significant chance?
Originally posted by Master CourtAre you a scientologist?
Oh, for L. Ron's sake.
Originally posted by Master CourtThat would be ignoring context right there.
Cap finished him off. I'm not ignoring context. I'm saying it's clear Cap gave him the coupe de grace when he slammed his shield into the back of Logan's skull. That KO'd him.
So all those other hits to the head... did nothing? 🙄
Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon killed Wolverine without even using any powers
You know this...how?
Originally posted by Master Court
and Gorgon is otherwise completely human. I'm not saying any ol' average joe can or WILL KO him, but don't you think someone like Batman has a significant chance?
Except he has superhuman speed, strength, durability, telepathy, and eyes that turn you to stone. Three of those stated ON PANEL to exist, the other two showings through feats.
Please stop talking about characters you don't know.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you a scientologist?
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Nah. It's a funny little cult, though, so I like using that rat-toothed psycho bastard's name in "vain". As if his name were worth a damn in the first place.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That would be ignoring context right there.So all those other hits to the head... did nothing? 🙄
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm NOT ignoring context. NOT. N, O, T. I'm well aware of the beating he took from all the others. What I'm saying is, just because someone's a normal human doesn't mean they can't KO Logan for any reason. I realize I didn't put that point in quite the right words, but that's my point. Since Logan's brain is no more durable than any normal man's, the same such force would work to KO him as well. It's simply a matter of getting the right man for the job. Cap and his shield should do fine. Or Batman. Or Batgirl(Cassie)? What about Punisher? You're saying these guys can't possibly KO Logan, given the right weapon? Punisher's even KO'd Spider-Man before. Why can't he KO Wolverine?
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Please stop talking about characters you don't know.
I'll say whatever the f*ck I want. Bottom line; Gorgon fought Wolverine entirely with his katana. Since Logan's skin is as durable as a normal man's, Gorgon's strength(which has never been disclosed mind you) would have nothing to do with the damage the sword did. And since Wolverine doesn't have super-human speed, the attacks Gorgon landed wouldn't have needed to be super-fast either. In that particular fight, fighting skill was all that Gorgon needed, besides his own HF.
Originally posted by Master Court
What I'm saying is, just because someone's a normal human doesn't mean they can't KO Logan for any reason.
i don't really understand this.
without logan's prior beating, would cap have been "the right man for the job"?
you said logan's brain is no more durable, and that the same force would ko him (the same force it would take to ko a normal man?) that . . . doesn't make sense. wwh had to hit him hard many times to totally f*** logan up. imagine a normal brain being rattled against an adamantium skull. the brain would be liquified with a small contact from hulk, let alone still be functioning for several blows. clearly logan's brain is far MORE durable than a normal person's . . . 😬
Originally posted by leonidasConsidering just how many times this would be the case since he fight's a lot of bricks...
i don't really understand this.without logan's prior beating, would cap have been "the right man for the job"?
you said logan's brain is no more durable, and that the same force would ko him (the same force it would take to ko a normal man?) that . . . doesn't make sense. wwh had to hit him hard many times to totally f*** logan up. imagine a normal brain being rattled against an adamantium skull. the brain would be liquified with a small contact from hulk, let alone still be functioning for several blows. clearly logan's brain is far MORE durable than a normal person's . . . 😬
It's either that it heals more quickly(Including a reset from a KO), or it is more durable.
Spiderman has sat there and wailed on him. One time he even broke his fist punching wolveirne.
Originally posted by Master Court
Bottom line; Gorgon fought Wolverine entirely with his katana.
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Originally posted by Master Court
Since Logan's skin is as durable as a normal man's
Since when?
Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon's strength(which has never been disclosed mind you)
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http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9451/gorgonstrength.jpg
Originally posted by Master Court
would have nothing to do with the damage the sword did.
You mean a sword in your hands would cut just as deep as a sword in a 4 year old's hand hmm? Let's ignore the strength right? PS: You mean the sword, the pole, and the fists hmm?
Originally posted by Master Court
And since Wolverine doesn't have super-human speed, the attacks Gorgon landed wouldn't have needed to be super-fast either. In that particular fight, fighting skill was all that Gorgon needed, besides his own HF.
Other than Wolverine commenting "no one's that fast" and then again in their later fight commenting on his speed?
Oh and one more thing that I found funny:
Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon killed Wolverine without even using any powers, and Gorgon is otherwise completely human. I'm not saying any ol' average joe can or WILL KO him, but don't you think someone like Batman has a significant chance?
Originally posted by Master Court
In that particular fight, fighting skill was all that Gorgon needed, besides his own HF.
So now that you've contradicted yourself, and that you've been presented hard proof that you're wrong and have no idea what the hell you're talking about, will you please read the comic books instead of wikipedia articles? Thanks.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
😕http://img204.imageshack.us/i/wolv30ffsxtvp019.jpg/
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http://img208.imageshack.us/i/wolv3115.jpg/Since when?
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http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9451/gorgonstrength.jpg
You mean a sword in your hands would cut just as deep as a sword in a 4 year old's hand hmm? Let's ignore the strength right? PS: You mean the sword, the pole, and the fists hmm?
Other than Wolverine commenting "no one's that fast" and then again in their later fight commenting on his speed?
Oh and one more thing that I found funny:
So now that you've contradicted yourself, and that you've been presented hard proof that you're wrong and have no idea what the hell you're talking about, will you please read the comic books instead of wikipedia articles? Thanks.
We've got a live one here.
Look, genius, you've posted the wrong fight. Post the one where Gorgon killed Wolverine in the graveyard using the KATANA. Jackass.
The rest of your argument is crap. They mentioned Gorgon's strength? BFD. I simply didn't remember that. But I already said it wouldn't make a difference. A sword cuts through Wolverine the same as a normal man when wielded by a normal man. And, again, since Wolverine isn't super-fast, you don't have to be super-fast to cut him. I hope you understand now. Just read slowly.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Considering just how many times this would be the case since he fight's a lot of bricks...It's either that it heals more quickly(Including a reset from a KO), or it is more durable.
Spiderman has sat there and wailed on him. One time he even broke his fist punching wolveirne.
Here's someone I can work with.
Didn't Daredevil KO Logan by cracking a barbell into his face?
Originally posted by Master Court
And since Wolverine doesn't have super-human speed (...)
Epic fail. Wolverine DOES have superhuman speed.
Originally posted by srank, fixed links by me.
Speed of thought. A severely weakened, Wolverine shows Psylocke that his thought and action are one in the same.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_Page21.jpg
An actually number, Wolverine's reaction time is .038 seconds.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg
Wolverine blitzes four bikers, killing them all simultaneously.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_FtaS_025.jpg
Faster than human eyes can follow.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpg
Again. Faster than the human eye can follow.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg
Both Wolverine and Sabretooth are almost too fast for Psylocke to follow.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg
Cyclops can't even track the Prime Sentinels, but Wolverine engages them in melee no problem.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
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He moves like lightning.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-38-30.jpg
Lightning reflexes.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-39-08.jpg
Nothing human could have moved that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n31-p04-1.jpg
Impossible. No one can move that fast.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-06.jpg
A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm.
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Wolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed in his arms when the arrows were fired.
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Wolverine displays some superhuman speed, moving as a blur.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-07.jpg
Wolverine speed blitzes Domina, who herself was able to sole an group of X-Men
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_XM102pg21.jpg
Even Spider-man questions his speed in regards to Wolverine and wonders if Logan might be faster.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/SpidermanvsWolverine55.jpg
Wolverine is faster than Namor.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-14.jpg
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The Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.
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Wolverine blocks the barrel of a gun claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber.
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Wolverine slices a skintight suit of armor off Geist in the time it takes from him to say clean shave.
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Replicates the feat against Doc Sampson.
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Wolverine speed blitzes some Danger Room robots. He lets go his his cigars, trashes the robots and then grabs his cigars before they can start to descend.
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Wolverine avoids the blows of a group of Martial artists skilled to kill with a single blow, during a ritual / write of passage.
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Nightcrawler is knocked from his perch and before he can fall the 10-20 feet into the fire bellow, Wolverine cuts a large section out of the wall and catches him.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg
With a blade inches from his head, Wolverine turns at the last moment and blocks the thrust. He engages his assailant... and does a second last second dodge, while already engaged in combat when a second one attacks him from behind.
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With a knife posed inches from his face, Wolverine punches his lunging attacker before the blade makes contact.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-109a-06.jpg
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Seriously dude, read some comics.
Originally posted by Master Court
Look, genius, you've posted the wrong fight. Post the one where Gorgon killed Wolverine in the graveyard using the KATANA. Jackass.
If you had read the comic book, you would have known the only part of that fight is Gorgon stabbing Wolverine once, then everything is off-panel. So if you somehow have a psychic sense that makes you "forget" and "imagine" things, that tells you how the fight went although it was never shown, by all means, please .... scans?
Originally posted by Master Court
The rest of your argument is crap.
I refuted each of your points. Your reply is "umm well you're steeewpid!!!!". Come back here when you're done with 4th grade buddy.
Originally posted by Master Court
They mentioned Gorgon's strength? BFD.
It IS a BFD, seeing as how you insisted that Gorgon is just a regular human being who beat Wolverine due to martial skills, and that he has no superhuman stats. I give you a scan from the very comic book you keep quoting, and you go "BFD"... awesome.
Originally posted by Master Court
I simply didn't remember that. But I already said it wouldn't make a difference. A sword cuts through Wolverine the same as a normal man when wielded by a normal man.
Prove it. Since Gorgon HAS superstrength, and Wolverine DOES have above human durability, all of these proven by scans, then by all means...prove your (insane) claims.
Originally posted by Master Court
And, again, since Wolverine isn't super-fast, you don't have to be super-fast to cut him.
I believe Stiltman just provided you with even more scans proving opposite. So....any proof to YOUR claims?
Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon is otherwise completely human
Originally posted by Master Court
Just read slowly.
Take your own advice, son.
