Phoenix (Rachael) vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Enyalus
The Necrom fight was really cool.

Yes opne of the most impressive fights I have ever seen.

Originally posted by guy222

hey guy how did Glads get his ass beat there? Looks all messed up.

Here ya go buddy

Originally posted by guy222
Here ya go buddy

Thanks! clap

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The current Rachael, once again acts as the host to the Phoenix Force as seen in Excalibur. Can the Surfer take her down?

surfer dies
PAINFULY

BUMP

id, do you think this is a good matchup? How do you see it going?

Eh Rachel is a match for the G-man himself on a good day.
Rachel ftw.

Did Rachael do something extraordinary? If she is anywhere near her classic level with the PF this is obvious spite.

Originally posted by Digi
id, do you think this is a good matchup? How do you see it going?

As far as Phoenix II (strictly Excalibur era). Members question, Rachael in general if she would be able to carry herself against Top Tier’s despite the backing of Abstract. Her competence heavily tarnishes, her power set, and application of it.

However recently, with significantly less (let it be a small portion, or a shadow of the Phoenix Force). Rachael manages to stalemate Gladiator, among other short showings.

Do I think this is a good match? No I think Rachael trashes Norrin, its obvious her competence has gone up. I cant think anyone in the High Herald class that can overwhelm her.

How do I see this going? KMC Surfer will apply his speed, and defensive stance to look for an opening. This is because, the Surfer has knows what he is going up against. Unfortunately Rachael knows of Surfer as well. She can put to test this speed, and defense. Her output can quickly escalate beyond the Surfer threshold.

what has current rachel done? I haven't been keeping up with her.

Besides her attitude adjustment. She applies her psi, with more common sense.

Surfer.

Originally posted by id369
Do I think this is a good match? No I think Rachael trashes Norrin, its obvious her competence has gone up. I cant think anyone in the High Herald class that can overwhelm her.

Ok, cool. Then my second question is this: is this a bait thread? I know that there's usually someone to back Surfer in any scenario even if they're wrong, but if you see it as incredibly lopsided, why make the thread?

Originally posted by Digi
Ok, cool. Then my second question is this: is this a bait thread? I know that there's usually someone to back Surfer in any scenario even if they're wrong, but if you see it as incredibly lopsided, why make the thread?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Surfer.

bluesrug

Originally posted by Creshosk
bluesrug

Granted. But that goes back to my earlier point that people will back Surfer in even more lopsided scenarios. His name carries an absurd amount of weight here on the forums. But that doesn't mean the thread should be made if it's still horribly lopsided.

id tried goad me into backing the Doctor in an earlier thread like this, even when I knew Rachael would win. I'm just trying to prevent that same sort of thing again, since it seems a bit disingenuous to make a lopsided thread then try to bait people into backing a losing argument. If the end goal is information about a character, then that's a good thing. But he snapped at me when I tried to learn more about Rachael instead of arguing, so I don't get that vibe.

If I'm wrong, great. But it needed to be brought up. If it becomes a trend, it's one that needs to stop.

Surfer carries an absurd amount of weight? What about the Phoenix? This is the only comic board I've been to where people think the Phoenix is equal to the LT.