Phoenix (Rachael) vs Silver Surfer

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Originally posted by Digi
Ok, cool. Then my second question is this: is this a bait thread? I know that there's usually someone to back Surfer in any scenario even if they're wrong, but if you see it as incredibly lopsided, why make the thread?
My views, are not the forums view. I want to know what sets them apart. If said member considers Surfer/Phoenix the victor, exactly what factors do members place stock over, to value its victory.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Surfer carries an absurd amount of weight? What about the Phoenix? This is the only comic board I've been to where people think the Phoenix is equal to the LT.

I never said Phoenix didn't, just that Surfer did. But you're right, they both do.

Adding an avatar (Rachael) to the Phoenix Force always complicates things though, so the backing of it isn't always quite as strong.

Originally posted by id369
My views, are not the forums view. I want to know what sets them apart. If said member considers Surfer/Phoenix the victor, exactly what factors do members place stock over, to value its victory.

Ok, fair enough. So you want to see where your opinions differ, if at all? That's a valid reason for making a thread. But do understand, I have to check these things, especially after feeling like I was being harassed for what was mostly a fact-finding mission in the Phoenix/Doctor thread. But continue as you were. I genuinely hope you get the answers you want.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Surfer.

Based on what?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Surfer carries an absurd amount of weight? What about the Phoenix? This is the only comic board I've been to where people think the Phoenix is equal to the LT.
You can blame Morrison for that I think. setting up a kabalistic thing with the crown reference and all that he did.

Rachel defeated Necrom and Galactus

She wins here

Originally posted by id369
Based on what?

I never found Rachel as the Phoenix to be that impressive.

I never found any Phoenix to be that impressive to be honest.

I never found Rachel as the Phoenix to be that impressive.

I never found any Phoenix to be that impressive to be honest.


Riiiight...
Because no version of Phoenix took it to big G himself, or trashed Nova, or stalemated Gladiator, or blew up entire universe, right?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I never found Rachel as the Phoenix to be that impressive.

I never found any Phoenix to be that impressive to be honest.

At this point what does the Rachael lack to bring down the Surfer?

I do think that Galactus have the power to beat her, but certainly not Surfer, at least, the last time I read on her.

Did she had a power downgrade since?

If current Phoenix really statlemated Gladiator, Surfer should, in theory, win. If it's only a low showing, and she's really as powerful as usual, than Phoenix.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Riiiight...
Because no version of Phoenix took it to big G himself, or trashed Nova, or stalemated Gladiator, or blew up entire universe, right?

Wasn't the Galactus fight an alternate universe version?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wasn't the Galactus fight an alternate universe version?

He means this one.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4177/excalibur061p04.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6360/excalibur061p05.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6317/excalibur061p06.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9987/excalibur061p07.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8741/excalibur061p11.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4006/excalibur061p14.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1350/excalibur061p17.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9924/excalibur061p20.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7536/excalibur061p21.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5836/excalibur061p22.jpg

Originally posted by Survivor19
Riiiight...
Because no version of Phoenix took it to big G himself, or trashed Nova, or stalemated Gladiator, or blew up entire universe, right?

Then gets stomped and eaten by the Goblin Force, an EMP, a Shi'ar super weapon.

Yeah, overrated.

Then gets stomped and eaten by the Goblin Force

Same Goblin Force that has eaten Galactus himself as well?
an EMP

You could bring here Wolverine killing Phoenix repeatedly as well.
*sigh*
Phoenix host has human durability. If shields are down, anyone and his mother can kill him.
Is that the reason you give Surfer vicory? His silver hide?

Originally posted by id369
At this point what does the Rachael lack to bring down the Surfer?
Originally posted by id369
He means this one.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4177/excalibur061p04.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6360/excalibur061p05.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6317/excalibur061p06.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9987/excalibur061p07.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8741/excalibur061p11.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4006/excalibur061p14.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1350/excalibur061p17.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9924/excalibur061p20.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7536/excalibur061p21.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5836/excalibur061p22.jpg

Galactus is so badass that he pwned her with words.

Still, I'm looking for the scans where Galactus state on panel that he could beat her.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Galactus is so badass that he pwned her with words.

Still, I'm looking for the scans where Galactus state on panel that he could beat her.

You mean when Dark Phoenix fought Galactus?
What_If_-_V1_-_027_-_Phoenix_had_not_died.

Incidentally Phoenix goes on to destroy the Universe at the end.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Then gets stomped and eaten by the Goblin Force, an EMP, a Shi'ar super weapon.

Yeah, overrated.

Electromagnetic energy isn't harmful to the brain it passes right through it... in fact we stick people in high powers magnets and bombard them with Electromagnetic on a daily basis.

Ever hear of Magnetic resonance imaging?

Yeah, she had phoenix work to do so she had to allow her host to "die".

If you reject the explanation then I can only tell you that the writing was PIS. Since you know MRIs and all.

And likewise with the Shi'ar super weapon. the "host" wanted to die. so it did.

Because that same host ate a star and got in a fight with a shi'ar battlecruiser...

Originally posted by Survivor19
Same Goblin Force that has eaten Galactus himself as well?

Yeah, the same Goblic Force that was defeated by some Celestials.

Stop acting like defeating Galactus is an uber feat. He was recently nearly killed by Beta Ray Bill.

Phoenix host has human durability. If shields are down, anyone and his mother can kill him.
Is that the reason you give Surfer vicory? His silver hide?

That's a great excuse ecept for one small point, the EMP shattered the Phoenix Force into millions of pieces. What does that have to do with Jeans durability?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Electromagnetic energy isn't harmful to the brain it passes right through it... in fact we stick people in high powers magnets and bombard them with Electromagnetic on a daily basis.

Ever hear of Magnetic resonance imaging?

Yeah, she had phoenix work to do so she had to allow her host to "die".

If you reject the explanation then I can only tell you that the writing was PIS. Since you know MRIs and all.

And likewise with the Shi'ar super weapon. the "host" wanted to die. so it did.

Because that same host ate a star and got in a fight with a shi'ar battlecruiser...

Maybe MRIs can also beat the Phoenix force.