what kind of logic is that?
ventress has much better feats in more abundance. mauls only claim to fame is beating anoon banderas and qui-gon jin both of whom would be considered low tier duelists by the time of the clone wars. assaj effortlessly tooled kenobi and kti fitso at the same time only a few months before kit fisto whooped grievous ass. she also almost killed anakin in a duel less then six months before he killed count dooku.
seriously. hes no match for her. it will be a difficult fight every time but assaj will definitely take the majority.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvelmauls only claim to fame is beating anoon banderas and qui-gon jin both of whom would be considered low tier duelists by the time of the clone wars.
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Qui Gon Jinn was one of the greatest duelists in the jedi order's HISTORY. It is said that he could duel Mace Windu to a draw, although Windu wasn't at his peak at that time. Low tier? So you're saying that he's below average?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
what kind of logic is that?ventress has much better feats in more abundance. mauls only claim to fame is beating anoon banderas and qui-gon jin both of whom would be considered low tier duelists by the time of the clone wars. assaj effortlessly tooled kenobi and kti fitso at the same time only a few months before kit fisto whooped grievous ass. she also almost killed anakin in a duel less then six months before he killed count dooku.
seriously. hes no match for her. it will be a difficult fight every time but assaj will definitely take the majority.
What makes you think qui-gon jinn is a low tier duelist when during an all out sparring match mace windu, the same guy who tooled sidious in a duel couldn't break through qui gons defences?
And stop acting like ventress beating anakin actually means anything considering that in ROTS when eh achieved a clarity of mind he made a joke of dooku(the same dooku that constantly smashes ventress in a saber duel).
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
What makes you think qui-gon jinn is a low tier duelist when during an all out sparring match mace windu, the same guy who tooled sidious in a duel couldn't break through qui gons defences?
first off i want to see the passage that specifically states that mace couldnt penetrate his defenses. second its generally assumed here that anoon banderas is uber and ive heard better then quigon. so if anoon "humbled himself" when fighting mace and yoda, meaning he wasn't on their level, what makes you think that quigon was?
and seriously the mace that "tooled" sideous had fifteen years to refine and perfect his technique. thats 15 years mace as of TPM didnt have. id say theres a large distinction in power between mace as of RotS and mace as of TPM.
And stop acting like ventress beating anakin actually means anything considering that in ROTS when eh achieved a clarity of mind he made a joke of dooku(the same dooku that constantly smashes ventress in a saber duel). [/B]
why would i not act like thats a big deal? what are you trying to say? anakin wasn't an impressive duelist before that? anakin was considered one of the best before the events of return of the sith transpired. he was considered a prodigy by the others of the temple before RotS as well.
unless you want to argue that he was only considered a prodigy for a couple of days, as thats how long it was before the temple was destroyed in RotS?
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelIronic, funny how you actually believe that anoon is better than qui gon when your so overly fond of saying quotes = jack unless he actually showed us feats.
first off i want to see the passage that specifically states that mace couldnt penetrate his defenses. second its generally assumed here that anoon banderas is uber and ive heard better then quigon. so if anoon "humbled himself" when fighting mace and yoda, meaning he wasn't on their level, what makes you think that quigon was?
Maybe its because mace couldn't penetrate qui gon's defences which is what actually made him at least close to their level.
Now i don't have the exact sources and in this case i have no choice but to use wookiepedia(which in this case is far more credible than you are).
In addition to his mastery of the Force, Qui-Gon was also a master in Form IV: Ataru, often having sparred with Master Mace Windu; it is said that neither actually managed to outduel the other
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelI can say the same for yoda who had seven hundred years to refine his lightsaber skills and refine his technique but could he defeat darth sidious? Simple answer: no.
and seriously the mace that "tooled" sideous had fifteen years to refine and perfect his technique. thats 15 years mace as of TPM didnt have. id say theres a large distinction in power between mace as of RotS and mace as of TPM.
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelBecause unlike the duel on the invisible hand, anakin was not a a clarity state of mind or he would have destroyed ventress in half the time that he did to dooku?
why would i not act like thats a big deal? what are you trying to say?
Did you ever read the ROTS novel? Then why do you act like yout "zeh!! l0gic t!ger" and then the next moment your a kitten?
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelRead the above.
anakin wasn't an impressive duelist before that? anakin was considered one of the best before the events of return of the sith transpired. he was considered a prodigy by the others of the temple before RotS as well.unless you want to argue that he was only considered a prodigy for a couple of days, as thats how long it was before the temple was destroyed in RotS?
Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Ironic, funny how you actually believe that anoon is better than qui gon when your so overly fond of saying quotes = jack unless he actually showed us feats.
i didnt say i believe that. i said that that is what people on this forum generally believe.
Maybe its because mace couldn't penetrate qui gon's defences which is what actually made him at least close to their level.Now i don't have the exact sources and in this case i have no choice but to use wookiepedia(which in this case is far more credible than you are).
In addition to his mastery of the Force, Qui-Gon was also a master in Form IV: Ataru, often having sparred with Master Mace Windu; it is said that neither actually managed to outduel the other
the sheer fact that it says "it is said" means that it isnt an actual fact and is heresay.
I can say the same for yoda who had seven hundred years to refine his lightsaber skills and refine his technique but could he defeat darth sidious? Simple answer: no.
but i would say that yoda was probably a better fighter at 899 years old then he was at 898 years old. but i dont really see what him losing to sideous has to do with anything. sideous would kill assaj and maul at the same time probably and the only reason mace beat him was because his style, vapaad,was tailor-made to fight people like sideous. vapaad+shatterpoint is pretty much any dark siders natural enemy.
Because unlike the duel on the invisible hand, anakin was not a a clarity state of mind or he would have destroyed ventress in half the time that he did to dooku?Did you ever read the ROTS novel? Then why do you act like yout "zeh!! l0gic t!ger" and then the next moment your a kitten?
Read the above. [/B]
but none of this contradicts anything ive said. anakin in that state of mind would olbiterate anyone in the pt except for sideous mace and yoda. so... yeah. when he isnt in that state I.E. the majority of the time hes still considered to be one of best duelists of the era. so its still a good feat and it still tops anything maul has done no matter how you look at it.
ultimately. how does any of the things youve said point to maul being a better duelist then assaj?
Originally posted by Ms.Marvelultimately. how does any of the things youve said point to maul being a better duelist then assaj?
I'll concede the rest of the points, i don't really have anything to argue other than the fact that qui gon isn't a below average duelist.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Qui Gon is one of the greatest jedi every produced by the order.
out of curiosity where was this stated?
He may not be as strong as some of the greats, but he is way, way, way, way, way above the average master and is therefore not "low tier". [/B]
yeah he is low-tier by the time of the clone wars he is low-tier. what did he do in his lifetime that would put him on the level of non-low tier people as of RotS? What feats does he have that puts him that makes him that good?
i didnt see it.
Originally posted by truejedi
what???? Assaji got HUMILIATED by Kenobi in the CLone Wars. She can't get owned like that and keep any cred. He was laughing at her in the middle of a duel. She got owned.
yeah she got owned by him. and then she fought him and kit fisto and humiliated both of them at the same time without getting touched once. hm...
maul isnt a top-tier opponent. not by the time of RotS he isnt.