Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It's called logic. If he can fight Mace Windu to a draw and trained Obi Wan Kenobi, plus he managed to retain his consciousness after death, then he is definitely great.By low tier you are saying that he's below the average master, as in the average, nameless random masters in the order? It was stated that Qui Gon would've been on the JEDI COUNCIL had it not been for his maverick attitude. Jedi on the high jedi council aren't "low tier".
I doubt Windu tapped into his dark side during a sparring match with a close friend, thus enabling him to draw with Qui Gon. But Ventress gets stomped.
Originally posted by Witness
I doubt Windu tapped into his dark side during a sparring match with a close friend, thus enabling him to draw with Qui Gon. But Ventress gets stomped.
One cannot use Vaapad without doing so:
[quote]Vapaad was not just a saber style-it was a state of mind
Vaapad is a channel for darkness
Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side.
He knew already he could not match Vastor for raw power. With each breath, he stripped away another layer of restraint and inhibition. Another layer of serenity. He had to move his inner peace out of the way to let in the joy. The thrill. the sheer okay-why-not-let's-FIGHT. Because Vaapad was more than just a form os Lightsaber combat.
It was a state of mind.
[...]
To use Vaapad now, out here was incredibly dangerous-almost as dangerous as not using it.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
The point here would be valid if not for two considerations:
1. He created Star Wars. [b]He is 'in universe' perfect canon at all times.
2.You are very right about the authors though. That's exactly how I feel. [/B]
Thanks for agreeing with me on the authors. I just don't get why what he says should be considered ultimate canon. He wrote the basic story first. That doesn't mean he is taking into account all the EU. He's even said he hasn't read the majority of the books.
Doesn't it depend on which canon you're talking about? There is a movie canon and a EU canon. Lucas is supreme over movie canon, but EU canon, not so much.
"After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story - however many films it took to tell - was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga."
"Part of the job of the director is to sort of keep everything in line, and I can do that in the movies—but I can't do it on the whole Star Wars universe."
""There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe."
LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
So basically, if we want to go by what Lucas says, fuk it all. The whole EU doesn't really exist. That doesn't make much sense, now does it? Sure, what is in the movies should be absolute canon, but it shouldn't automatically override interpretation of things that are actual SW media.
EDIT.
If your right glentract, i'd argue that vader, according to palpatine still had the highest potential th become the most powerful force user ever just that his true limitations are in his head and are not physical.
But i won't argue that, i am waiting for someone eles to clear up the canon policy issue.