JLA Most Valuable Player

Originally posted by Digi
The answer would shake my credibility in this thread, sure. But the better question is, why haven't I been countered yet?

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Btw, the Krypto stuff is a joke. But I do think Kal is close to being LVP here, despite being the most powerful overall. He just doesn't fill a role that isn't already covered at least once. I'd be fine with being proven wrong, but I haven't seen it yet.

Just remember, I will pwn you...

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yay mod fight

which ever mod bans the other one 1st is the winner

Originally posted by chomperx9
yay mod fight

which ever mod bans the other one 1st is the winner

biscuits

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The added member: Living Tribunal

The guy would bring some brawl and some versatility to the team.

Originally posted by Badabing
Warned for multiple mod agitating. Don't let it happen again. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Badabing
You haven't been countered because we're all feeling the same...facepalm

Blair agreed.

srug

Originally posted by chomperx9
yay mod fight

which ever mod bans the other one 1st is the winner

Advantage: the only one with actual ban powers.

awehuh

How come Ushgarak has the ability to ban even though he ain't a mod?
And REXXXX is the Global Mod, even though Ushgarak was a year earlier than him? O_o

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
How come Ushgarak has the ability to ban even though he ain't a mod?
And REXXXX is the Global Mod, even though Ushgarak was a year earlier than him? O_o

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showgroups.php?

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New Recruit: Plastic Man. For plasticity.

Originally posted by Digi
Blair agreed.

srug

blair thinks iceman is a herald. durwink

As far as why Superman isn't the LVP, it's quite simple. He has in a package what it would take 3 or four league members to have. He's stronger than any of them. he's faster than any of them bar flash. he's a scientific genius and an adept tactician. he's a very competent hand to hand fighter. he's constantly using what is a limited power set with amazing versatility.

having j'onn makes kal redundant? please. the only major thing j'onn adds to the team is telepathy, and both gl rings and aquaman are capable of that.

Superman is THE heavy hitter in the league. Always has been. he may not have a magic lasso or a green lantern ring, but to be frank, he doesn't need them.

OWAW: Superman
Mageddon: Superman/Batman
Infinite Crisis: Superman/Superboy
Final Crisis: Superman

People can complain about him being DC's poster boy etc, but when it comes down to it, he's simply that good.

Nobody saves the day the way he does, and that team would be lost without him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
blair thinks iceman is a herald. durwink

So says the Tier thread. So, its not just me 🙂.

Besides, Digi is right. Each teammember brings something new to the table

Batman: Strategy, tactics, and his monetary/tech resources
Wonder Woman: High level physical stats, and magic
Martian Manhunter: Telepathy, high level physical stats, intangibility, and shapeshifting
Flash: Speed Force tricks - (Stealing speed, energy constructs, IMP, ect)
Green Lantern: The Ring. Which can do anything.
Superman: Highest level physical stats.

Yes, he is physically the strongest, but he is not the fastest, not the best combatant, does not have the best mind, and unless you count T-Vo brings nothing new to the table which has not already been covered or can be done using the versitility of the others. For example: if Superman did not exist - and by that I mean his creators never created him - therefore losing his spot as DC's poster boy, and GL were to be in his place, you think GL's wouldnt be able to do what Superman does? All they need to do is imagine it. Done deal. At least they would have a decent reasoning as to why they can do such OMGPWNs type things.

No offense to those you support him (Im looking at you PR), nor am I trying to say Superman is not a powerful or respected hero, he just brings nothing new to the table besides his S-Shield.

Originally posted by Digi
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showgroups.php?

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Completely forgot that Raz is the PR Beyonder in these boards.

👆 to Digi.

MVP: Manhunter (the soul of JLA) & Batman (the brain of JLA)

LVP: gotta be Wonderwoman

to say supes is not the mvp because if u take a bunch of them togeather u can get a power set to close his is odd to me since the exact opposite is true. u could take away everyone but him and his power set could replace almost all of theirs. supes has super speed not as fast a flash but faster than most. stronger than ww and mm. not a smart as bats but still a genius, and if u count t-vo telepathy to. basicaly what im saying if u lost supes u would need 3 or four characters to compensate for his absence but he alone could replace almost anyone of them in almost any circumstance.

i could be wrong but it seems to me digi is saying if u took supes away, a bunch of them togeather could compensate for his loss, but not just one of them. if this was who is more valuable supes or the others put togeather i would agree but not one of them alone except maybe bats is more valuable overall than supes. thats just my opinion.

also i dont get all the supes is the poster boy stuff and if he wasnt he couldnt do all of these things. when the fact is even if its because hes the posterboy he is still doing those things and really is that powerful. of course the writers could make anyone more powerful its fiction but the fact is they dont this is their world and if they want supes to be top dog thats just how it is. personaly i dont like supes that much if he had the mentality of batman or the punnisher he might not sleep too goood at night but alot more lives would be saved but when it comes down to it and the worlds at stake and everyone else has tried and failed supes is almlost always the guy who steps up and saves the day. u might not like him or why he can do the thigs he does but u gotta respect that.

I'm looking at it from the go-to guy type deal. Let's think about it terms of a sport. When the win is on the line, and it's down to the final moments. You are always gonna give the play, the chance to the superstar. Yeah someone else might be able to get it done, but when you want the best shot you give it to your best guy.

Whether I necessarily like it or don't, Superman is the go-to/Superstar/Legend/Icon that is gonna get the call.

It's like making the choice between giving the final shot in a game to Micheal Jordan or Scotty Pippen.

And even though that should be more than enough to vote Superman MVP along with Bats. After all when the chips are down Superman is the one that shines, and you want that guy. But the guy also has access to advanced Kyrptonian technology, is in good standing with just about every hero imaginable. When he speaks people, besides Batman, tend to listen.

Let's face it his symbolism even in the comic book world is second to no one.

Well, I should start by saying that I don't think that there is a LVP on a team like this. They ALL add something. Yes, some of their powers are redundant, but they all add something unique and that includes Superman.

For those who are so quick to give the LVP award to WW, I think you need to reread the OP. She has access to all of her equipment. That makes her the strongest (unless Clark takes a vacation to the Sun) and provides the team with plot inducing weapons that would make even Zatanna smile. Factor in having the Greek pantheon on her speed dial, the resistances she has to TP and magic, her brain and all her warrior experience/training and you have yourself quite a useful member.

As for who I would add it would definitely have to be Zatanna. The one thing that team is missing is a master of magic. Wonder Woman only provides a limited amount of magical ability and it mainly protects only her. Given prep, there aren't many situations that Zatanna or Batman would not be able to find a way out of.

newjak thats a good point about his symbolism in the comic world and the listening thing. i didn think of that. also when anyone or everyone else on the list is getting wrecked u always think i wish supes was here but if hes getting wreck u gennerly think gee their screwed i hope batman comes up with something.if ww or flash get knocked of a fight no big deal u still have supes if he gets knocked out genneraly the teams in trouble and ur hopes go to bats. those were the feelings dc writers were counting on is dos. the oh crap supes is gone were screwed feelings. and dont lie u know u all felt it. thats why hes the mvp he does the job when nobody else can and when the job is as important as saving the world hes pretty valuable. its hard to argue with that since he is the posterboy and bringing out those thoughts and feelings for him is basicaly the writers intentions.

Originally posted by Digi
Blair agreed.

srug

Point is DC, the JLA as well as most other people posting in this thread disagree with your opinion. Superman has been one of the deciding factors or the deciding factor for victory in overcoming multiple crisis and invasions.

Originally posted by Digi
Advantage: the only one with actual ban powers.

awehuh