Originally posted by -Pr-
the tiers thread is also run by digi. 😛also: 😐
i don't mean to sound like an ass, but do you not get the entire point of having superman in the league? and you left out several of superman's abilities.
if a gl was poster boy, then they'd need an amp to go with it. an amp he doesn't have.
also, 👆 @ everything philo said.
I do understand. His importance, his inspiration, and he is physically the best around. I left out things like heat vision and ice breath because it overlaps with MM and just kept it at "high level physical abilities".
Yes, within a storyline, he gets the job done. Because the company, and therefore the writers, write it that way. Why? Because is the poster boy. You have yet to give Digi a full reason to as to why. His powerset in and of itself does not give him the ability to do all those things.....maybe if he was (Rao? whoever the Kryptonian God is) incarnated, then I'd buy it. Maybe.
If GL was their poster boy, they wouldnt need an amp. They already have the "excuse"/reasoning that a GL ring can do anything they imagine, so long as they have the willpower. "Most powerful weapon in the universe." Least GL would have a reason (his willpower is just that damn high). What is Supermans? I'm not trying to downgrade his importance as a character, but leveling it down to powerset (which I'll admit is what I mean by all this), he is not a true contributer to make it to MVP.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
I do understand. His importance, his inspiration, and he is physically the best around. I left out things like heat vision and ice breath because it overlaps with MM and just kept it at "high level physical abilities".
i actually wasn't referring to those. 😛
Yes, within a storyline, he gets the job done. Because the company, and therefore the writers, write it that way. Why? Because is the poster boy. You have yet to give Digi a full reason to as to why. His powerset in and of itself does not give him the ability to do all those things.....maybe if he was (Rao? whoever the Kryptonian God is) incarnated, then I'd buy it. Maybe.
see, that's the problem right there. you don't believe he's powerful enough to accomplish the things he does with the powerset he has. i on the other hand, do.
If GL was their poster boy, they wouldnt need an amp. They already have the "excuse"/reasoning that a GL ring can do anything they imagine, so long as they have the willpower. "Most powerful weapon in the universe." Least GL would have a reason (his willpower is just that damn high). What is Supermans? I'm not trying to downgrade his importance as a character, but leveling it down to powerset (which I'll admit is what I mean by all this), he is not a true contributer to make it to MVP.
i hope you're going to take in to account the extent of said powerset when making a decision about his importance.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
MV would be a GL imo.
A GL is probably the most versatile hero in DC.LV would be Wondy or Supes.
MM is basically a Supes with TP.I would add Alexander Luthor, Jr.
Cause he is superior to at least 2-3 members (probably more) of the team
MM is a lower grade version of supes with Tp you mean. Id say the most valueable players are.
1 batman
2 green lantern
3 flash
4 MM
5 superman
6 wondy
Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, Superman is BY FAR the best powerhouse on JLA, or any team. How the hell would he be ranked beneath WW or GL (versatility my ass...they don't handle 1/10th the shit Superman has).Superman takes care of business, he may not have telepathy or the ability to form gigantic (and useless) gloves and bats, but in the end of the day, he's the one saving the world and getting shit done. His resume shits on everyone else's.
As for most valuable, I'm having trouble deciding between Batman or Superman, although I might put Superman slightly ahead.
Flash and Wonder Woman round out my least valuable.
Starscream look at it this way. If you remove all bias from the comic book characters. We have no writers intentionally showing favortism to one of the characters. I would venture to say supes is not as valueable as you may think. And im not takeing nothing away from supes.
Originally posted by Digi
I oversee it, yes. The changes and ranks, however, are based on forum votes, not my personal whim.😉
only since bada got on your case about batman.
Originally posted by Raptor22
i keep hearing reasons as to why it shouldnt be supes but not much in the department of who it should be and why theyd be above him. and i hope their powers stack up well against the entire jla like supes is being judged.
good point.
Originally posted by zeel
Starscream look at it this way. If you remove all bias from the comic book characters. We have no writers intentionally showing favortism to one of the characters. I would venture to say supes is not as valueable as you may think. And im not takeing nothing away from supes.
you are, though, by assuming that writer favouritism plays any significant part in how powerful he is.
i still dont see how being the writers favorite changes anything. the writers created this world and characters. they want supes to be the best/mostpowerful/most valuable character they have and thats what they did. how can u take away the favoritism. if u take away that do u take away all the powers/feats/victories that he aquired through the favoritism.
if there was no bias then every character would be equal. but the writers choose to make some characters more powerful/valuabe than others. the fact that they use how much the company likes a certain character as a basis for how powerful/important they make them doesnt change the fact that they are.
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm looking at it from the go-to guy type deal. Let's think about it terms of a sport. When the win is on the line, and it's down to the final moments. You are always gonna give the play, the chance to the superstar. Yeah someone else might be able to get it done, but when you want the best shot you give it to your best guy.Whether I necessarily like it or don't, Superman is the go-to/Superstar/Legend/Icon that is gonna get the call.
It's like making the choice between giving the final shot in a game to Micheal Jordan or Scotty Pippen.
And even though that should be more than enough to vote Superman MVP along with Bats. After all when the chips are down Superman is the one that shines, and you want that guy. But the guy also has access to advanced Kyrptonian technology, is in good standing with just about every hero imaginable. When he speaks people, besides Batman, tend to listen.
Let's face it his symbolism even in the comic book world is second to no one.
qft. i am not a dc fan by any means, but how can you not respect superman? he is that michael jordan/kobe bryant player that you want taking the shot at the last second. supes is not only "THE" comic book icon but an american icon as well. who in all of comics wouldnt want supes on their team? you make a team to take on any threat in comics & if supes isnt one of your first two choices youre an idiot. supes is a beast & has beaten foes that are far above him. sure he has been beaten, sure there are people much tougher than him but MJ lost before too. sure the bulls were good without MJ, but if you made an all nba team & MJ wasnt your first pick youre in ther wrong business. the jla would be ok without him, but they for sure wouldnt be THE team to beat without him. to say supes is the LVP, i say this: YOU ARE AN IDIOT. as i said before i am not a supes fan, but he IS comics. not wolverine, not WW, not spidey & not bats but the motherf**kin Superman