Originally posted by Kheranibatman wounded him with a radion bullet. superman is the one who literally erradicated the very essence of darkseid/the ALE from existence. supes is also the one who fought, and 'beat', the 'true' mandrakk. etc.
Why is Supes the MVP of Final Crisis, wasn't Batman the one who killed Darkseid?
Originally posted by -Pr-
only since bada got on your case about batman.good point.
you are, though, by assuming that writer favouritism plays any significant part in how powerful he is.
Im not being bias, there are just more versital players on the team. supes cant really hurt flash. hes less versital then a green lantern ring and hes less versital then MM. Hes physically tougher then the rest . if this is a contest of physical strength duribility then yup it goes to supes. im just looking at it from other angles. I dont feel im being bias at all. however the one thing ill give supes, actually 2 things i give supes is his leadership abilities and will power.
Originally posted by zeel
Im not being bias, there are just more versital players on the team. supes cant really hurt flash. hes less versital then a green lantern ring and hes less versital then MM. Hes physically tougher then the rest . if this is a contest of physical strength duribility then yup it goes to supes. im just looking at it from other angles. I dont feel im being bias at all. however the one thing ill give supes, actually 2 things i give supes is his leadership abilities and will power.
more versatility doesn't always mean better, though.
and superrman is plenty versatile when he needs to be. he's much more than some flying brick.
Originally posted by -Pr-
more versatility doesn't always mean better, though.
Well, it most certainly doesn't. I just think people are making their own JLA. I don't really think any of these members are "better" than the others. I just think some people value some abilities over others, and thus would pick their team a little differently. That's how I look at it at least. I really don't believe that if you remove any 1 person from the team, the team will collapse. They are all that good. Given the chance, they would all find a way to come out on top.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Well, it most certainly doesn't. I just think people are making their own JLA. I don't really think any of these members are "better" than the others. I just think some people value some abilities over others, and thus would pick their team a little differently. That's how I look at it at least. I really don't believe that if you remove any 1 person from the team, the team will collapse. They are all that good. Given the chance, they would all find a way to come out on top.
i dunno, tbh. for me, there are always certain archetypes you need in any lineup. and when picking said archetypes, you usually pick the best person for the job. that's why you have the flash rather than any old speedster. a gl rather than doctor light, etc.
it's the JLA. it's supposed to be the best of the best.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i dunno, tbh. for me, there are always certain archetypes you need in any lineup. and when picking said archetypes, you usually pick the best person for the job. that's why you have the flash rather than any old speedster. a gl rather than doctor light, etc.it's the JLA. it's supposed to be the best of the best.
Oh, I meant only the 6 we're talking about in this thread. For me, they are the best of the best.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Oh, I meant only the 6 we're talking about in this thread. For me, they are the best of the best.
oh, ok, my bad.
i don't like the idea of picking someone as an LVP, tbh, against certain enemies, some people are going to be more useful than others. it's the nature of things. i just find it a little funny when people are ragging on characters who have a proven track record against certain villains.
Plastic Man... bermm Fernus
Superman... bermm Mageddon, OWAW, etc.
Just examples. i honestly only think there's contention for MVP, on a very general basis.
Yes, sometimes a green lantern is more useful than a superman. sometimes j'onn is more useful than flash. heck, sometimes aquaman is more useful than someone. but there's always the flipside of that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
oh, ok, my bad.i don't like the idea of picking someone as an LVP, tbh, against certain enemies, some people are going to be more useful than others. it's the nature of things. i just find it a little funny when people are ragging on characters who have a proven track record against certain villains.
Plastic Man... bermm Fernus
Superman... bermm Mageddon, OWAW, etc.Just examples. i honestly only think there's contention for MVP, on a very general basis.
Yes, sometimes a green lantern is more useful than a superman. sometimes j'onn is more useful than flash. heck, sometimes aquaman is more useful than someone. but there's always the flipside of that.
I agree one hundred percent. I just want to clarify that for my part, I am not ragging on Superman. I don't discount any one of his amazing feats. I just think that the other 5 too are capable of greatness as well. We just don't see it as often.
And you're right. There isn't a LVP. If they're fighting something that is immune to everything but magic, then of those 6, WW is your best bet. Need energy manipulation, well then you better call Hal. Need Tp abilities, then J'onn. Is your foe physically dominating, well then better call Clark. And the list goes on. The reason the team is so great is because they all complement each other. It can function well without out 1 of them, but then you open up the possibility of running into that "oh crap" moment.
Sorry, that was just a very long winded way of me saying that they all have value, and in some circumstances one persons particular strengths are more needed. On a whole, I don't think any of them are ever not really needed.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I agree one hundred percent. I just want to clarify that for my part, I am not ragging on Superman. I don't discount any one of his amazing feats. I just think that the other 5 too are capable of greatness as well. We just don't see it as often.
i agree to an extent.
And you're right. There isn't a LVP. If they're fighting something that is immune to everything but magic, then of those 6, WW is your best bet. Need energy manipulation, well then you better call Hal. Need Tp abilities, then J'onn. Is your foe physically dominating, well then better call Clark. And the list goes on. The reason the team is so great is because they all complement each other. It can function well without out 1 of them, but then you open up the possibility of running into that "oh crap" moment.
exactly.
Sorry, that was just a very long winded way of me saying that they all have value, and in some circumstances one persons particular strengths are more needed. On a whole, I don't think any of them are ever not really needed.
aye. i agree completely.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
And I love your new Sig!
lol, thanks...
i agree completly that all of them have situations where they are needed more than one of the others, its just that supes is needed in far more situations than anyone else with the exception of possibly bats. and some of the others probably could handle some of the stuff supes does but sadly they dont, whether from lack of power or opportunity they just dont. i just dont think its fair to put someone above or equal to him because they might be able to do something if given the opportunity when supes has accomplished said task already. its they might be able to vs proven to be able to, and id pick the latter.
I'd say the MVP is highly situation. The JLA's problems are often solved with GL teaming up with MM or Flash to do something even his constructs couldn't normally do (especially Kyle, he really teamed up with them a lot). Diana's often the best at capturing enemies and dealing with magic foes, and her truth powers have solved a *lot* of situations (it's a big diplomatic and info-gathering trump to be able to get info that can't be a lie). Superman's the most individually powerful. Flash is perhaps the LVA, but via lending speed, evacuating civies and fetching items, and using vibrational stuff he's often a key person. Batman is Batman.
I think you could remove any one of them and be fine, and I think in combat and with the lasso WW tends to edge out MM's telepathy, but I'd be hard pressed to really rate them without fiddling with the rankings every weak. Any of them on a good day is more useful than any of them on a bad day.
Part of the thing that makes JLA awesome is it's a really balanced team, everyone in the main roster really deserves to be there.
Originally posted by Starscream MIn comics, Batman, because of DC's big three policy (Supes, WW, Bats). But many would argue that they *shouldn't* need Batman. Everyone is just written dumber when he isn't around. (that is a common argument).
ok, Superman is BY FAR the best powerhouse on JLA, or any team. How the hell would he be ranked beneath WW or GL (versatility my ass...they don't handle 1/10th the shit Superman has).Superman takes care of business, he may not have telepathy or the ability to form gigantic (and useless) gloves and bats, but in the end of the day, he's the one saving the world and getting shit done. His resume shits on everyone else's.
As for most valuable, I'm having trouble deciding between Batman or Superman, although I might put Superman slightly ahead.
Flash and Wonder Woman round out my least valuable.
But funny how Flash is the least valuable, but on the forum he's the most broken. 😛