The end is nigh, for Marvel.

lol

so, it is fairly simple

Disney is a mega super print-its-own-money-rich corporate institution, which owns the rights to child based properties that have defined every generation of kids for decades.

For that reason, almost alone, there is no relevant reason to think they would "kid-ify" Marvel, as, if they wanted to publish children's comics, they would already be in a much better position to target that market than Marvel is.

I don't really see this as a bad thing. Marvel has been appealing to the quick buck for years, with short lived series and one-shots allowing more "creative" works. Mainstream spider-man, FF, Xmen, always just markets off of derivative splash pages with a mix of the predominant 13 year old culture, and this is because Marvel needs that specific crowd (ok, maybe 13 was a bit of a jab) to buy as many of their comics as possible, because they have no other mainstream appeal, until a movie comes out.

Disney, on the other hand, has the money to invest into the company to allow more creative story writing and more broadly accessible comics as a whole. I can't see many bad outcomes to Marvel making more money, or having more money...

On a more serious note, Disney isn't going to mess with the basics of Marvel, it offers them the audience niche they were missing, the young man. As they previously didn't have much to offer to that rather large audience; now they do, in comics, cartoons, movies and possibly some theme park tie-in.

So while you may see 'Hulk meets Goofy' or 'The Ultimate Avenger Babies', it certainly isn't going to take place of originals, it will be a separate entity.

Iron Man 2 should now have more than enough backing $$$-wise. Should be more epic than the first, as long as Disney lets the Marvel team have free-play with it (which they should).

Edit: **** you Inimalist. You beat me to the logic-post in here.

Originally posted by Robtard
On a more serious note, Disney isn't going to mess with the basics of Marvel, it offers them the audience niche they were missing, the young man. As they previously didn't have much to offer to that rather large audience; now they do, in comics, cartoons, movies and possibly some theme park tie-in.

So while you may see 'Hulk meets Goofy' or 'The Ultimate Avenger Babies', it certainly isn't going to take place of originals, it will be a separate entity.

Iron Man 2 should now have more than enough backing $$$-wise. Should be more epic than the first, as long as Disney lets the Marvel team have free-play with it (which they should).

Edit: **** you Inimalist. You beat me to the logic-post in here.

I agree with you Rob..

on a side note regarding Iron Man 2 there is talk that it may be filmed in 3 D

I'll be watching the 2-D version if so.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I agree with you Rob..

on a side note regarding Iron Man 2 there is talk that it may be filmed in 3 D

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Haven't they already done most of the production in regular "2-d"?

Putting it into 3-D is post production, isn't it?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Putting it into 3-D is post production, isn't it?

No...well.

They film 3D with two 3D cameras. Then post production messes with stuff to make it 3D after the composite is made.

At least, that's the most common way.

However, post production can give us false 3D. It won't be as good, from what I here, as the one stereoscopically filmed.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Quote because he can't say anything else

Ok, based on what?

Given all that we know, all the facts and all the statements, I want to hear your opinion on why I'm wrong/in denial.

Go.

-AC

We do know that the marvel movies will be fine as the Paramount contract doesn't end until sometime in 2013.

What does this mean? I don't know how the structure works, but i thought most of the marvel films were Fox?

****ing corporates. i wudnt care as long as they dont undermine the freedom of the writers and the published content.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
****ing corporates. i wudnt care as long as they dont undermine the freedom of the writers and the published content.

It's actually a good thing for Marvel, they have the financial backing of an entertainment behemoth and decades of business know-how to pool from now.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's actually a good thing for Marvel, they have the financial backing of an entertainment behemoth and decades of business know-how to pool from now.

the same behemoth that tries to moderate the behaviour of miley cyrus...............................

the problem is that the disney corporation has a family oriented image to uphold and when the same old complaints from concerned parents and relegious groups keep coming in, they wud handle it very differently than marvel {where there was nuthing above the company}.

for instance, i think this cud be a serious threat to the new universal line as well as the imprints which have produced things like the eternals.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the same behemoth that tries to moderate the behaviour of miley cyrus...............................

the problem is that the disney corporation has a family oriented image to uphold and when the same old complaints from concerned parents and relegious groups keep coming in, they wud handle it very differently than marvel {where there was nuthing above the company}.

for instance, i think this cud be a serious threat to the new universal line as well as the imprints which have produced things like the eternals.

Ok, you'll do.

Multiple statements have been released from multiple sources, including Marvel and Disney, saying that the comics won't be touched. If it ain't broke, they won't fix it, don't intend to, nothing to fix.

Will YOU be the one, since Kris has taken off, to explain to me why people insist on ignoring the facts and knee-jerk reacting?

No matter how many facts and logical arguments are put forward, people always come back to "Disney is kiddy.". So? Miramax isn't, Pixar have benefitted.

They have explicitly said they will not touch comics. So, what reason do you actually have, or does anyone have, for worrying?

Genuinely curious.

Disney won't get complaints about the comics because they're not promoting or having anything to do with the comics. Most kids don't know Miramax is owned by Disney, so they didn't say "Mum, I wanna go see Pulp Fiction.".

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the same behemoth that tries to moderate the behaviour of miley cyrus...............................

Miley Cirus is the underage representative of a children's show of whom the target audience are young folk and religious parents, and I suspect some pedos.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the problem is that the disney corporation has a family oriented image to uphold and when the same old complaints from concerned parents and relegious groups keep coming in, they wud handle it very differently than marvel {where there was nuthing above the company}.

http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=disney

maybe things from the "Disney" line, which are aimed at children. The way many of these other companies that Disney owns are run is much more about dollars than family.

For instance, ESPN?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
for instance, i think this cud be a serious threat to the new universal line as well as the imprints which have produced things like the eternals.

the only threats to these lines would be bad sales

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Ok, you'll do.

Multiple statements have been released from multiple sources, including Marvel and Disney, saying that the comics won't be touched. If it ain't broke, they won't fix it, don't intend to, nothing to fix.

Will YOU be the one, since Kris has taken off, to explain to me why people insist on ignoring the facts and knee-jerk reacting?

No matter how many facts and logical arguments are put forward, people always come back to "Disney is kiddy.". So? Miramax isn't, Pixar have benefitted.

They have explicitly said they will not touch comics. So, what reason do you actually have, or does anyone have, for worrying?

Genuinely curious.

Disney won't get complaints about the comics because they're not promoting or having anything to do with the comics. Most kids don't know Miramax is owned by Disney, so they didn't say "Mum, I wanna go see Pulp Fiction.".

yes, but that is because no1 gives a shit about miramax outside the movies it produces any more than people make the connection between fox searchlight pictures and rupert murdoch.

this is a very public merger PARTLY because there is a long history of cencorship in comics {ask alan moore, lol} , and fans of comics are VERY concerned over the kind of corporate authority exerted over them {stan lee will attest to this} as its sumthing more personal than movies. ofcourse, u shud know that having such intimate connections to the movie rights not only gives disney carte blanche to accept or reject movie scripts based on "appropriateness" but there will be a drive by the editors {which they hire} to create more commercially viable content and compromise originality.

NEVER beleive the statements of corporates when it comes to takeovers/sales, because why wud the CEOs sell the company if it were doing just fine with the creativity and money department? disney has plans for marvel.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
disney has plans for marvel.

what?

to dump resources into a product line that will fail in a market against DC and other companies who will continue to create the content the market wants?

like, aside from super-villainy, what is it that you think Disney is going to do? They could already make more successful children's comics than marvel could

reduce/eliminate political parallels concering america from the comics {hey major corporations cant be harming america's INTERESTS on their watch}. to make plots more relateable and sell worthy to a younger audience, reduce the amount of negetive/violent/mind**** situations, not stir up contreversy by encouraging the trend of increasingly positive and open portrayels of LGBT characters. etc, just over the top of my head.

Oh stop the nonsense, Leon.

Younger audience? They aren't interested in GAINING an audience, just the money that the already existing fans of Marvel will bring them.

You say they'd make more things relatable to younger kids...

http://www.marvelkids.com

That's existed for years. What are you gonna argue now? Spider-Man bedsheets have existed for decades. Marvel have marketed to younger audiences for DECADES. They have also kept the main comics separate, as they will continue to do.

"About Us:

MarvelKids.com is the Internet hub of all things Marvel. The site is designed to entertain and educate children using Marvel’s vast library of globally renowned characters such as Spider-Man, The X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man and so many more.

From videos to games to challenges and much more kid-friendly programming, MarvelKids.com strives for responsible excellence when reaching out to its youngest fans.".

Disney are gonna force them to do what? Oh yeah, NOTHING they haven't done.

So now, let's see if you've provided any decent arguments.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes, but that is because no1 gives a shit about miramax outside the movies it produces any more than people make the connection between fox searchlight pictures and rupert murdoch.

...and comics are still very much a cult thing. Comic CHARACTERS may be getting more famous, but people don't invest months and months of their time reading and buying comics. They'd prefer to go see Spider-Man.

That argument fails to prove why anyone should worry.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
this is a very public merger PARTLY because there is a long history of cencorship in comics {ask alan moore, lol} , and fans of comics are VERY concerned over the kind of corporate authority exerted over them {stan lee will attest to this} as its sumthing more personal than movies. ofcourse, u shud know that having such intimate connections to the movie rights not only gives disney carte blanche to accept or reject movie scripts based on "appropriateness" but there will be a drive by the editors {which they hire} to create more commercially viable content and compromise originality.

Fans of comics, LOGICAL fans of comics are NOT concerned because there's nothing to be concerned ABOUT.

What about that does nobody on Earth, besides the sane, rational survivors, understand?

Stan Lee has already said that fans needn't worry about Disney interfering.

I don't give a shit about what they do to the movies, we're discussing comics, which they've said they won't get involved in.

Besides, what...like Marvel haven't produced shit movies on their own? How much worse can Disney do than Ghost Rider, Elektra, Fantastic Four or X-Men?

Exactly.

Again, THAT argument doesn't work. That's two so far.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
NEVER beleive the statements of corporates when it comes to takeovers/sales, because why wud the CEOs sell the company if it were doing just fine with the creativity and money department? disney has plans for marvel.

Yeah, to promote and invest.

The comics have done fine for 70 years, comics numbers are doing very well. Go look it up. You don't buy a $4 billion dollar company with an established, dedicated fanbase of males (Which is your goal), only to drive them away by doing the EXACT wrong thing.

Disney are a mega-corporation for a reason, not because they're run by monkeys without a clue what to do.

Stop being ridiculous. None of your points work, at all.

Plans or not, I never denied that they have plans. I said, based on FACTUAL STATEMENTS FROM BOTH PARTIES, that those plans will not involve interference in existing comics.

You mentioned Miley Cyrus and how she's manipulated. Yes? She willingly gets manipulated because she let's them tell her how to make the most money. That's one of the reasons Disney won't do it to Marvel, because they are established, talented, capable and in no need of direction or compromise. They will be allowed to continue making comics as they wish, and Disney will reap the cash. That's it.

Movies? No clue. Don't care.

I'll ask you again, why do you insist on ignoring this and being worried?

-AC

Originally posted by leonheartmm
reduce/eliminate political parallels concering america from the comics {hey major corporations cant be harming america's INTERESTS on their watch}. to make plots more relateable and sell worthy to a younger audience, reduce the amount of negetive/violent/mind**** situations, not stir up contreversy by encouraging the trend of increasingly positive and open portrayels of LGBT characters. etc, just over the top of my head.

1) many of those things are general market forces in the post 9-11 market place. TV, movies, etc can all be said to have become more overtly patriotic and less questioning.

2) if the market demands these things, marvel will quickly lose money, and disney will drop them, allowing them the freedom they want again. There is no market for christian spider-man comics dude. If there was, Marvel would already be capitalizing on it.

3) Disney wants money. They didn't buy Marvel because it is some "bastion of people's liberation entertainment", they bought it because they think they can make money from it. What sells comics? tight fitting costumes and violence.

^ur overly hostile.

it doesnt fail. it proves that the fanbase is more concerned with the type of pressures on the writers

i was referring to stan lee creating marvel and then being a minority shareholder. other than that, i see no refutation or discussion from you.

miley proves how much their public image matters to them. u really think they wont consider it in comics? ur argument is based in wishful thinking.