Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Actually the most unreal baiter on these forums.Hopefully you won't get away with it now you're no longer a mod. You have a grudge, personal for some reason, against Marvel. We do get it.
-AC
AC you will always make me laugh, SO SERIOUS. The guy was a troll as a mod, power crazed and angry, he is a troll now, powerless and angry. Nothing more, nothing less.
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
Are you saying everything is going to be fine for Disney and Marvel? If so, can I borrow you crystal ball?
Why not browse the many news articles and statements that have been issued SAYING that the comics will remain untouched, and that Marvel will be left to run their business as they always have?
It's better than a crystal ball.
Why the insistance in ignoring fact?
-AC
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
I would say that Marvel owns the properties that Disney is been wanting for years...which is the boy factor.Sure! Why wouldn't they tweak with their properties. It's their property now, right? Like the automobile industry...when a corporation buys another they have a few changes or add new ones. It's a business correct? Business evolve or collapse depending on how they do business...what's Disney been known for primarily? Targeting the family entertainment.
ok, but you are arguing that they are going to change the comics in a way that they will no longer appeal to that crowd, are you not?
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
Do kids under 13 earn their money? Not the ones I know of...do you know of any? The ones I know ask their parents to buy it for them.
indeed. normally what the children ask them to buy, or they just give money to the kid.
like, I don't get your argument. Give me the A-B-C...
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
How is this relevant? We're speculating here not explaining. If you can explain something you have all the answers with you. Do you have them or just speculating?Are you saying everything is going to be fine for Disney and Marvel? If so, can I borrow you crystal ball?
lol, wut?
seriously man, make a good argument here. Speculate on what the shareholders of Disney were thinking when they bought Marvel, and why they would want to spend money to make something less marketable?
EDIT: and no, I'm not saying everything will be good for Marvel. Disney will be fine, but I don't think Marvel was doing very well (movies aside) in the first place. Comics these days are already "lowest-common-denominator" splash page fueled testosterone fests, aimed at satisfying the juvenile desires of the target audience. The content of the books is almost negligable. If Marvel fails, I certainly wouldn't attribute it to Disney, but rather a company plan of continuing to market only to a small and shrinking nieche market at the expense of more thought provoking material that may have more broad appeal, though would lose massive amounts of market share in the current comics market.
Originally posted by inimalist
EDIT: and no, I'm not saying everything will be good for Marvel. Disney will be fine, but I don't think Marvel was doing very well (movies aside) in the first place. Comics these days are already "lowest-common-denominator" splash page fueled testosterone fests, aimed at satisfying the juvenile desires of the target audience. The content of the books is almost negligable. If Marvel fails, I certainly wouldn't attribute it to Disney, but rather a company plan of continuing to market only to a small and shrinking nieche market at the expense of more thought provoking material that may have more broad appeal, though would lose massive amounts of market share in the current comics market.
I don't know if it had more mass appeal, I think thought provoking books and movies aren't doing too well already, add to it the disgust those intellectual types have for comics, and you are probably not in for a huge market.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know if it had more mass appeal, I think thought provoking books and movies aren't doing too well already, add to it the disgust those intellectual types have for comics, and you are probably not in for a huge market.
oh, for sure, if there were a market out there for intellectual marvel comics, I'm sure they would capitalize (and their Icon imprint is ****ing awesome!)
Its a strange balance, and imho the medium suffers because it lacks mainstream appeal, and the movies are just solidifying their place in the market as slug-fests. LOL, like they way Marvel had to change the release schedule of "Old Man Logan" (which wasn't bad, the Mysterio issue I liked) because the Wolverine movie was coming out, and people were going to buy the comic, and they wanted to make sure it was the most stereotypical, derivative Wolverine story they bought, not the middle of some intriguing story that the reader would need to become more than superfluously involved in. (lol, I guess I didn't read the issue, so I don't know that for sure, but that is the impression I got from the comic book guy in my town)
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know if it had more mass appeal, I think thought provoking books and movies aren't doing too well already, add to it the disgust those intellectual types have for comics, and you are probably not in for a huge market.
Intellectuals don't have a problem with comics. What they don't like is traditional superheroes and big companies like Marvel and DC. "Smart" indie comics are fairly popular among (pseudo)intellectuals and no one can capitalize on it because those sort of people hate anything popular.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosI don't know what to say to that. It's either that you started talking about intellectuals then pseudo intellectuals or that you said that the comics are popular amongst them and they hate everything popular, but something weirds me out, sorry.
Intellectuals don't have a problem with comics. What they don't like is traditional superheroes and big companies like Marvel and DC. "Smart" indie comics are fairly popular among (pseudo)intellectuals and no one can capitalize on it because those sort of people hate anything popular.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaosper-say....lol
The problem isn't with comics per-say it's with the stigma against superheroes as a storytelling device and the influence of large companies.And no one can really capitalize on indie stuff because it's only loyal fans tend to hate mainstream stuff.
Better?
I guess it is better, but I disagree. I think the whole medium is still frowned upon by many.
Originally posted by inimalist
ok, but you are arguing that they are going to change the comics in a way that they will no longer appeal to that crowd, are you not?indeed. normally what the children ask them to buy, or they just give money to the kid.
like, I don't get your argument. Give me the A-B-C...lol, wut?
seriously man, make a good argument here. Speculate on what the shareholders of Disney were thinking when they bought Marvel, and why they would want to spend money to make something less marketable?
EDIT: and no, I'm not saying everything will be good for Marvel. Disney will be fine, but I don't think Marvel was doing very well (movies aside) in the first place. Comics these days are already "lowest-common-denominator" splash page fueled testosterone fests, aimed at satisfying the juvenile desires of the target audience. The content of the books is almost negligable. If Marvel fails, I certainly wouldn't attribute it to Disney, but rather a company plan of continuing to market only to a small and shrinking nieche market at the expense of more thought provoking material that may have more broad appeal, though would lose massive amounts of market share in the current comics market.
Okay, you want me to speculate on what a Disney shareholder is thinking..give me a minute here...let me get into character:
Disney Shareholder: "Oh! Disney purchase a comic book publisher...well, add it to Pixar, Miramax, and the other things Disney bougth...I'm going back to work on my portfolio."
There you go.
and no, I'm not saying everything will be good for Marvel.
Good! I'm sure glad to see you don't wear the Mickey Mouse ears.
Comics these days are already "lowest-common-denominator" splash page fueled testosterone fests, aimed at satisfying the juvenile desires of the target audience. The content of the books is almost negligable.
So are movies...what was you point there? It's just another means of entertainment.
Let's get on the same level here...whether you (not you directly) agree or disagree with Disney purchase of Marvel we can't really know what will happen. So it is best to remain objective and neither set up fireworks to celebrate OR run for cover as it is a doomsday event.
You like to be supportive, I remain skeptic..what a happy world.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There's no reason TO be skeptical though, not based on all the facts we have and all the ones you DON'T have.You WANT Marvel to be ruined by Disney because you hate Marvel.
-AC
Just curious as to where this idea came from that he hates Marvel.
WhoopeeDee, DO you really hate Marvel or is he making fun of you?
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou WANT Marvel to be ruined by Disney because you hate Marvel.
-AC
Which I always found very, very odd (and childish), his Hulk-hate was/is the funniest though. I remember those threads.
I don't like many a thing, I show my dislike by not buying their products; what I don't do is feverishly pray they fail. All very odd.
Originally posted by dadudemonWhoopeeDee, DO you really hate Marvel or is he making fun of you?
No, I don't hate Marvel.
I have no reason to hate Marvel.
As a matter of fact if you follow my posts in the Comic Book forums you could clearly see I'm FAR more critical of DC comics than Marvel. Sure, I poke some fun at Marvel but my cynical jokes are taken as hatred.
As stated many MANY times in the past I stopped following Marvel Comics since 1995. Not only because of budget issues but also because the characters have been written in a way I feel disconnected.
Since this thread has become a mud slinging contest and since I've asked the globals to please keep AC away from my distance. I'm going to set the record straight.
All 3 members known as Bardock, Robtard, and AC are in my ignore list. I have them for good reasons. So whatever they accuse me of is because they hate me.
But of course, since they're buddy-buddies with two Global Mods they get free passes around here. This is the primary reason why I quit acting as a Global Mod. I'm sick of the favoritism and the politics behind the Mod Lounge.
I have nothing further to say on this subject. I'm making very clear I do not nor want to socialize with these individuals any further. As you can see they just my head on a silver platter. Now, there lies the hatred these people proclaim exist.
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
No, I don't hate Marvel.I have no reason to hate Marvel.
This is what I thought. I don't remember ever reading that you hated marvel, just that some things done pissed you off.
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
As a matter of fact if you follow my posts in the Comic Book forums you could clearly see I'm FAR more critical of DC comics than Marvel. Sure, I poke some fun at Marvel but my cynical jokes are taken as hatred.
I do read your posts, and many others. I don't post very much there, but I do read threads there, quite often. You guys keep me up to date as I never have time to buy comics and read them, these days. (I could bring them to work...but then I'm out the money...lol)
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
Since this thread has become a mud slinging contest and since I've asked the globals to please keep AC away from my distance. I'm going to set the record straight.
Good decision. I've read all too many conversations between you two, over the years. You are DEFINITELY not his favorite poster. lol
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
All 3 members known as Bardock, Robtard, and AC are in my ignore list. I have them for good reasons. So whatever they accuse me of is because they hate me.But of course, since they're buddy-buddies with two Global Mods they get free passes around here. This is the primary reason why I quit acting as a Global Mod. I'm sick of the favoritism and the politics behind the Mod Lounge.
This is an aside, but...I don't think you should have ever stepped down. I thought you were an excellent global mod. You were well liked, except for a very few select individuals.
To be honest, I haven't actually gone out and purchased any comic book in YEARS. However, it would be absurdly faulty to think I hated DC or Marvel.
However, you don't purchase them specifically because you don't like the direction that they've taken with the comics in the last 14 years. That's different. Though, that doesn't explicitly imply that you hate them, that does directly imply a dissatisfaction with them, of sorts.
My opinion with Marvel's stories: They are hit and miss. Constantly writing and rewriting the stories and history. I don't like that too much. I really enjoyed House of M, though., and how it changed things for 616. It breathed life back into the main universe comics. I dunno...it was just fun to me.
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
I have nothing further to say on this subject. I'm making very clear I do not nor want to socialize with these individuals any further. As you can see they just my head on a silver platter. Now, there lies the hatred these people proclaim exist.
K. Fair enough. I assumed that what AC was doing was trolling and baiting you...as he does just about everywhere else to you on these boards. Instead of just sitting on the side lines, I figured it would be a good idea to ask you what YOU thought. It just bothers me when others are painted incorrectly by others. I think them saying that you hate Marvel does have substance to it, but I also think that it is a bit extreme to label it as "hate", more like displeasure with they way they started doing things. Hell, people all the time stop watching TV shows because of the way they change over the years, why should comics be any different?
Man, this is biblical levels of butt-hurt right there, HILARIOUS. The guy acts like a clown and abuses his mod powers, I call him on it, he throws a vaginal fit of epic proportions.
For the record though, I don't hate the guy, I just call bullshit when I see it. His self imposed "I'm a victim, I'm a victim; they're all after me" is borderline paranoia. As is his "they're buddies with Global Mods!" rant, that's just weird. Name one Mod I have in my pocket?
His Hulk-hate (what I mentioned) is documented in here though; it's kinda funny, the irrationalism of it, it's just a fictional character. So he's also lying in calling me a liar in that regard too.
Originally posted by Robtard
Man, this is biblical levels of butt-hurt right there, HILARIOUS. The guy acts like a clown and abuses his mod powers, I call him on it, he throws a vaginal fit of epic proportions.
I wouldn't say he abused his mod powers when he banned Chilmeistergen. Which is what I assume you're referring to? Despite myself likeing Chill very much as a poster, I am certainly not in denial that Chill well more tha pushed his luck. Chill should have been perma-banned long before he was by WD, even IF WD perma-banned him because he misunderstood his post. I already told WD and the world what I thought of the situation. Fact is, he made the right decision as Chill had more than used up his last bit of luck. The best mod decision in that situation was ban for 3 days, pending perma ban, and get clarification. However, a mod should only do that when the poste in question has a history of bannable offenses. If that was his first questionable post, then, yes, just a warning would have been more than enough. It wasn't. Chill had a history of mod-bashing, even if others agreed with Chill's comments. The only thing I disagreed with, on that decision, is that Chill wasn't unbanned when both Chill, and others, showed that Chill was actually being cynical to all of the douche sock-trolls, rather than criticizing the mods. Other than that, I would have done the same thing, if I were the mod. (Ban now, ask questions later, and if I was wrong in my interpretation, unban with an apology. Mistakes happen, and with repeat offenders, you don't ask questions, you temp ban, pending perma-ban.)
However, that's just my opinion on how to mod.
I still wish Chill was back here. He had very unique and interesting insight in our discussions here. He was a cool guy, too.
Originally posted by Robtard
For the record though, I don't hate the guy, I just call bullshit when I see it. His self imposed "I'm a victim, I'm a victim; they're all after me" is borderline paranoia. As is his "they're buddies with Global Mods!" rant, that's just weird. Name one Mod I have in my pocket?
Well, to me, AC is always on WD's arse about anything and everything. This is far from the first time AC has gone after him about something. But, yes, call away short of doing bannable things.
Originally posted by Robtard
His Hulk-hate (what I mentioned) is documented in here though; it's kinda funny, the irrationalism of it, it's just a fictional character. So he's also lying in calling me a liar in that regard too.
I know this sounds creepy, but I searched through dozens of posts of his to see if he really said he hated Marvel comics. He never did, as far as I can tell. In fact, what he just said earlier in this thread is very much runs parallel in his past posts which go back years. You gotta give him credit for sticking to his point and not backtracking.