You think that owning the rights to the X-men, or the Marvel Zombies series, is going to drive away enough money from Disney in terms of lost sales that they would sacrifice the money made from those lines in order to censor them? Or do you just think Disney is going out of its way to silence Marvel at a ridiculous financial loss?
Originally posted by inimalist
1) many of those things are general market forces in the post 9-11 market place. TV, movies, etc can all be said to have become more overtly patriotic and less questioning.2) if the market demands these things, marvel will quickly lose money, and disney will drop them, allowing them the freedom they want again. There is no market for christian spider-man comics dude. If there was, Marvel would already be capitalizing on it.
3) Disney wants money. They didn't buy Marvel because it is some "bastion of people's liberation entertainment", they bought it because they think they can make money from it. What sells comics? tight fitting costumes and violence.
i dont remember ABC becoming more patriotic
and? the point is, demands of the market alone whudnt be able to dictate the creativity of the artist. comics have been know as a REBELLIOUS art form since the 80s and that will change when the MAN takes over.
exactly, comics right now are not JUST commercial no matter how much we want to claim it. and thats what they might become with greater corporate control. and im curious, do u think no1 will care that disney is now overseeing what many consider ANTI US interest work?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and? the point is, demands of the market alone whudnt be able to dictate the creativity of the artist. comics have been know as a REBELLIOUS art form since the 80s and that will change when the MAN takes over.
Marvel hasn't published rebellious comics in decades, at least. Rarely do they even push the bar. The aforementioned addressing of LGBT issues, by Marvel, is rarely better than stereotypical. Ultimate Colossus is so poorly written, and the issue of his sexuality is so childishly tackled, you hardly have an argument pointing to them as pushing these issues forward. Of any "major" comic company, nobody comes close to Image for thought provoking or challenging material (also, derivative women in lowcut tops with big guns, both literally and figuratively).
Also, Marvel is a 4 billion dollar corporation, they are THE MAN dude. The market does demand what they create. Any freedom they have is TOTALLY subject to the Marvel editorial staff, who are very financially conscious. This is why you rarely get the "Silver Surfer: Requiem" or "Spider-Man: Reign", because they are more challanging and people wont buy them frequently. Secret Invasion is a testament to marvel being more interested in splash pages and groovy fight scenes to sell comics than any form of serious writing (as, imho, planet hulk, wwh, civil war, the other... and ya.... lots).
Originally posted by leonheartmm
exactly, comics right now are not JUST commercial no matter how much we want to claim it. and thats what they might become with greater corporate control. and im curious, do u think no1 will care that disney is now overseeing what many consider ANTI US interest work?
lol
what is marvel publishing that is anti-US man?
"What do you think this A stands for?"
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont remember ABC becoming more patrioticand? the point is, demands of the market alone whudnt be able to dictate the creativity of the artist. comics have been know as a REBELLIOUS art form since the 80s and that will change when the MAN takes over.
exactly, comics right now are not JUST commercial no matter how much we want to claim it. and thats what they might become with greater corporate control. and im curious, do u think no1 will care that disney is now overseeing what many consider ANTI US interest work?
Stop talking out of your ass, Leon.
Seriously.
You are INSISTING this, there's no basis for it. I have proven every claim wrong that you have brought. Unless you can counter them, please just stop trying to argue fake points based on speculation and exaggeration.
As someone who reads comics, every month, I am perfectly placed to say you're chatting nonsense.
"The man".
Like Marvel are some kind of underground, indie company. They're not Dark Horse Comics, they're Marvel Entertainment Incorporated, Leon.
Oh, and as for anti-U.S. interest? I have literally no clue where you got that. That's what proved to me that you don't read comics.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Stop talking out of your ass, Leon.Seriously.
You are INSISTING this, there's no basis for it. I have proven every claim wrong that you have brought. Unless you can counter them, please just stop trying to argue fake points based on speculation and exaggeration.
As someone who reads comics, every month, I am perfectly placed to say you're chatting nonsense.
"The man".
Like Marvel are some kind of underground, indie company. They're not Dark Horse Comics, they're Marvel Entertainment Incorporated, Leon.
Oh, and as for anti-U.S. interest? I have literally no clue where you got that. That's what proved to me that you don't read comics.
-AC
r u an over acheiver?
seriously, what is with the attacks. i am giving you my oppinion, not fighting tooth and nails to convince you or refute yours. uve chosen a rather insignificant topic to come out on top on{in ur mind} and BEAT other people.
u havent even addressed any of my claims much yet proven or disproven them.
as for me not reading comics.......................... 😆 😆 😆 . i doubt uve read as many comics as i have.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
r u an over acheiver?seriously, what is with the attacks. i am giving you my oppinion, not fighting tooth and nails to convince you or refute yours. uve chosen a rather insignificant topic to come out on top on{in ur mind} and BEAT other people.
u havent even addressed any of my claims much yet proven or disproven them.
They're not opinions, they're false statements in ignorance of all facts and logical points.
Your opinion is that Disney will interfere in the comics and that Marvel aren't commercial. This is factually untrue, there's no subjectivity.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
as for me not reading comics.......................... 😆 😆 😆 . i doubt uve read as many comics as i have.
Yeah?
"Anti-U.S. interest.".
Sounds like you pay attention.
I can see the motivational poster now.
"Marvel: Apparantly they're tur'rists now.".
I can see the Pulp Fiction-esque scene now. You walk into Marvel offices, like Jules and Vincent do to Jimmy:
Joe. Q.: Did you see a sign on my house that says 'We make Captain Al-Qaida comics.'?
You: No, but we thought, because of Disn...
Joe. Q.: DID YOU SEE A SIGN ON MY HOUSE THAT SAYS 'WE MAKE CAPTAIN AL-QAIDA COMICS.'?
You: No.
Joe Q.: D'you know why?
You: No.
Joe Q.: BECAUSE IT AIN'T THERE, BECAUSE MAKING CAPTAIN AL-QAIDA COMICS AIN'T OUR F*CKIN BUSINESS, LEON.
-AC
^sigh. be that as it may{and ill take ur word for it. lol} they are still oppinions. u cud just say u dont agree. it isnt worth fighting over. i never said that marvel are not commercial, i just said that commercial interests are not the sole motivaters of the writers.
as for the interest thing. how many times has shield been portrayed as wrong or evil? how many times have relegions and politics been criticised in x men{heck even captain america partakes in that}, how many times have wars and the leadership of the US been criticised and portrayed as evil and power hungry empireish {cable deadpool, among others}. and considering that the very poster of iron man that u put up is mocked by the fact that he was WRONG in leading america in the civil war and utterly humiliated later in secret invasion.......................
in today's world where anything less than protestant/evangelical faith are often labelled heresy and anti american, disney wud come under fire for operating marvel under it. because they very nature of the mythos is a major point of disagreement among the super patriotic. {and this is a company that is already blamed fro bringing occult material to children from the conservatives}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^sigh. be that as it may{and ill take ur word for it. lol} they are still oppinions. u cud just say u dont agree. it isnt worth fighting over. i never said that marvel are not commercial, i just said that commercial interests are not the sole motivaters of the writers.
No, you can't just say "I disagree." if it's fact. Fact is fact, undeniable truth.
Would you disagree the Earth has gravity?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^as for the interest thing. how many times has shield been portrayed as wrong or evil? how many times have relegions and politics been criticised in x men{heck even captain america partakes in that}, how many times have wars and the leadership of the US been criticised and portrayed as evil and power hungry empireish {cable deadpool, among others}. and considering that the very poster of iron man that u put up is mocked by the fact that he was WRONG in leading america in the civil war and utterly humiliated later in secret invasion.......................in today's world where anything less than protestant/evangelical faith are often labelled heresy and anti american, disney wud come under fire for operating marvel under it. because they very nature of the mythos is a major point of disagreement among the super patriotic. {and this is a company that is already blamed fro bringing occult material to children from the conservatives}
That's not anti-U.S. interest, that's conveying multiple possible stances of the characters involved.
There's nothing anti-U.S. about that, at all.
As for the Cable & Deadpool Civil War tie-ins, EVERYONE was anti-U.S. government at that point. Even most U.S. citizens. Nobody liked Bush besides idiots. So that doesn't count.
Even then, they made the U.S. government have points to agree on.
It's precisely why Civil War divided people, because you can see both sides.
These are NOT anti-U.S. interests inherently. Comics are timeless because they constantly reflect the current world in a lot of stories. The current world was somewhat like that back then. No country is full of patriots, why would American comics be?
Furthermore, the reason Captain America disagreed with Maria Hill and S.H.I.E.L.D. is because he loves what he feels America truly means. That's why they call him "The Dream", because he's the embodiment of most of the American Dream's ideals. The irony is that he stands for an imaginary America. America has never been truly tolerant, or free.
"The Southern Baptist Convention (S.B.C.) and the American Family Association voted to boycott Disney over opposition to the latter offering domestic partnership benefits to gay employees and the ABC show Ellen, in which Ellen DeGeneres' character came out as a lesbian; Disney ignored the boycotts, which failed.".
I'm waiting for justification on your claims here.
Disney ignored anti-gay boycotts, and you're claiming they're gonna roll over for conservatives?
Do you actually have any legit points left, sir?
-AC
I see where you coming with your comments leon and somewhat agree.
I suspect Disney expects to maximize its returns by fully exploiting the exact assets it has acquired. Now, how can Disney exploit them? The same way they been doing for years...target the Family audiences...keeping things in the PG13 or below area.
Disney focuses on the younger audience which are supported by the parents. The last time (if I recall correctly) Disney tried to attain the more adult geeky comic guys was with Gargoyles and eventually had success but it lasted for a certain period of time. But in came Toy Story and so on....
I rather remain skeptical with the purchase until I see something positively convincing...I'd hate to be a goody-good wisher spreading pro-Disney proganda as if some apparatchik for them.
Originally posted by WhoopeeDee
I see where you coming with your comments leon and somewhat agree.I suspect Disney expects to maximize its returns by fully exploiting the exact assets it has acquired. Now, how can Disney exploit them? The same way they been doing for years...target the Family audiences...keeping things in the PG13 or below area.
Disney focuses on the younger audience which are supported by the parents. The last time (if I recall correctly) Disney tried to attain the more adult geeky comic guys was with Gargoyles and eventually had success but it lasted for a certain period of time. But in came Toy Story and so on....
I rather remain skeptical with the purchase until I see something positively convincing...I'd hate to be a goody-good wisher spreading pro-Disney proganda as if some apparatchik for them.
you would argue, then, that Marvel owns better properties and has a better business set up to produce material for children under 13 than Disney does?
Disney is going to buy Marvel in order to redesign Marvel in order for it to compete, DIRECTLY, with all of Disney's other lines which target children?
Disney is going to change Marvel, a profitable company they just bought, into an unmarketable product that no longer fills the niche market it supplies now, at the expense of losing market share to the abundance of comics ready to have people's money spent on them?
Like, I don't get it, I really don't get it. Explain the logic of the Disney shareholders. Why did they buy something just to change it and lose money? Who is out there that even wants the comics you are afraid Disney is going to make?
Look you dumb apes, Disney is in the business of making money, this is their first (and only?) priority, having said that, this is fact:
Originally posted by Robtard
On a more serious note, Disney isn't going to mess with the basics of Marvel, it offers them the audience niche they were missing, the young man. As they previously didn't have much to offer to that rather large audience; now they do, in comics, cartoons, movies and possibly some theme park tie-in.
Originally posted by inimalist
you would argue, then, that Marvel owns better properties and has a better business set up to produce material for children under 13 than Disney does?Disney is going to buy Marvel in order to redesign Marvel in order for it to compete, DIRECTLY, with all of Disney's other lines which target children?
Disney is going to change Marvel, a profitable company they just bought, into an unmarketable product that no longer fills the niche market it supplies now, at the expense of losing market share to the abundance of comics ready to have people's money spent on them?
Like, I don't get it, I really don't get it. Explain the logic of the Disney shareholders. Why did they buy something just to change it and lose money? Who is out there that even wants the comics you are afraid Disney is going to make?
He's just arguing because he's anti-Marvel/me.
Ignore.
-AC
Originally posted by inimalist
you would argue, then, that Marvel owns better properties and has a better business set up to produce material for children under 13 than Disney does?Disney is going to buy Marvel in order to redesign Marvel in order for it to compete, DIRECTLY, with all of Disney's other lines which target children?
Disney is going to change Marvel, a profitable company they just bought, into an unmarketable product that no longer fills the niche market it supplies now, at the expense of losing market share to the abundance of comics ready to have people's money spent on them?
Like, I don't get it, I really don't get it. Explain the logic of the Disney shareholders. Why did they buy something just to change it and lose money? Who is out there that even wants the comics you are afraid Disney is going to make?
I would say that Marvel owns the properties that Disney is been wanting for years...which is the boy factor.
Sure! Why wouldn't they tweak with their properties. It's their property now, right? Like the automobile industry...when a corporation buys another they have a few changes or add new ones. It's a business correct? Business evolve or collapse depending on how they do business...what's Disney been known for primarily? Targeting the family entertainment.
Do kids under 13 earn their money? Not the ones I know of...do you know of any? The ones I know ask their parents to buy it for them.
" Explain the logic of the Disney shareholders."
How is this relevant? We're speculating here not explaining. If you can explain something you have all the answers with you. Do you have them or just speculating?
Are you saying everything is going to be fine for Disney and Marvel? If so, can I borrow you crystal ball?