Re: Did God make animals wrong?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i bn thinking if humans were the only ones that steal, cheat, lie and murder b/c they are corrupted by evil then why do many animals exhibit many of the same moral issues?... is it b/c of a lack of soul? that cant be it since we have a soul and still fail in many moral dilemmas.does God get mad when a pet steals items from its owners or when a dog kills birds or cats out of pleasure rather then necessity?
i had a ferret that would steal jewelery from me even though i taught it, it was wrong to steal and hide them... my ferret simply changed his approach and became sneakier and changed his hiding spot... it was aware when i caught him and it would get sad or pretend it didnt do it...
it knew it was wrong b/c he would hide when i would find out what he had bn up too by simply watching what i had discovered..i had no need to raise my voice in order to illicit a response from it..
overall my question is this if god simply smiles at the animals actions and simply finds it amusing shouldnt he feel the same way when we humans do it too?
also anybody think animals should go to heaven too?
First we have to define, what an animal is? An animal is something that is not a man(according to the dictionary), but at times they do give us power and do demonstrate feelings. For example I had a dog that I once called a son, but I realized that the dog that I called a son, was actually demonstrated more compassion and had more insight than those who surrounded me. So in summary, before we ask who we think should go heaven, let's first ask ourselves...what is an animal?
Elijah
Re: Re: Did God make animals wrong?
Originally posted by Thundar
First we have to define, what an animal is? An animal is something that is not a man(according to the dictionary), but at times they do give us power and do demonstrate feelings. For example I had a dog that I once called a son, but I realized that the dog that I called a son, was actually demonstrated more compassion and had more insight than those who surrounded me. So in summary, before we ask who we think should go heaven, let's first ask ourselves...what is an animal?Elijah
Why is an animal something other then man? If you look at it from a scientific point of view, then man is an animal.
Re: Re: Re: Did God make animals wrong?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why is an animal something other then man? If you look at it from a scientific point of view, then man is an animal.
Shaky..I do not see man an animal, but I do not see an animal as a man. My point is that many animals have characteristics of men, likewise..many men have characteristics of animals..that doesn't mean that either is more animalistic or more human than the other. Before we ask questions like the poster above, we have to have an appropriate starting point. Let me ask you a question, what do you consider a man to be spiritually?
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Originally posted by Thundar
Shaky..I do not see man an animal, but I do not see an animal as a man. My point is that many animals have characteristics of men, likewise..many men have characteristics of animals..that doesn't mean that either is more animalistic or more human than the other. Before we ask questions like the poster above, we have to have an appropriate starting point. Let me ask you a question, what do you consider a man to be spiritually?
Yes, a cat is not a dog, and a man is not a horse, but a cat, dog, horse and man are all animals.
How can you love someone, but say I'm better then you? To me, when Christianity says that man is not an animal, it comes across as arrogance and discriminate. There has been great evil done in the world because they are just animals.
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Originally posted by Blinky
Examples of how we "treat" animals -- that has nothing to do with feasting upon them.
I am not going to give you something that is commonly known.
The idea that animals are things not related to humans lead us to inhuman farming practices. There is nothing wrong with using animals as food, but many large farms put money about the life of the animal. If our culture saw humans as an animal, then we would try to do better for the lives of the animals that we farm. Now please understand, I'm not one of those nut cases that want to get ride of farms, but I think we can do better.
I object to the underlining idea that humans are not animals. I believe that separation leads to perverse actions and evil on our part.