Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Even through animals don't go to heaven.I think they should but they don't have a soul like we do.So when they did they just die.and I doubt it if God gets mad at them for doing anything wrong.
He does not for us because of our free will.
The soul is only a blief with no proof to back it up. If humans have a soul then other animals would also have a soul because humans are animals. Just look at all of things we have in common with other animals. If an alien race where to come to Earth, I think they would clasify humans in with all other animals on the planet. Just because we are more inteligent does not mean we are not an animal.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yea if you believe that you were once an animal.Which I do not.Animals have a different kind of soul unlike us.Which means when they die they just die.
When we die our soul and later on our bodys are in hell heaven or inbetween.
The idea that we once were animals is incorrect, because we are not something separate from animals. In other words, we are animals. We always have been, and always will be. Whatever soul we have is the soul of an animal, if a soul exists at (I do not believe in a soul). The myth of heaven after you die is just a belief.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The idea that we once were animals is incorrect, because we are not something separate from animals. In other words, we are animals. We always have been, and always will be. Whatever soul we have is the soul of an animal, if a soul exists at (I do not believe in a soul). The myth of heaven after you die is just a belief.
So how do you think that we have animals souls?also what you are saying is a belief and not real inless you have some facts or some good reason why you think that everyone has an animal soul?
Originally posted by ADarksideJediThe theory of evolution brings some pretty good "facts" it might be not foolproof cause of missing links etc. but is far better worked out than any religion.
So how do you think that we have animals souls?also what you are saying is a belief and not real inless you have some facts or some good reason why you think that everyone has an animal soul?
Originally posted by Digi
It's always a little frustrating in this forum. I can't really reply to a lot of threads because I disagree with the premise on such a fundamental level, that I can't answer the question as it is posed. If I don't think any God made animals, then the question itself becomes moot. Insert this conundrum into a lot of similar threads and you see the problem.So if you see a flaw in the way that the world is made when you try to sync it up with religious doctrine, in any situation, consider that the religious doctrine itself might be the one in error, not the world around us.
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As it pertains to your question, it is my opinion that humans and any other animal all conform to the laws of physics, meaning we exist within a deterministic universe and are subject to its laws. In that respect, we are no different from animals. It only appears different because we possess much higher levels of self-awareness and intelligence, and our behavior is harder to predict. While it is speculation to say at what level other animals possess a moral compass, they certainly can exhibit tendencies that approach the moral nuance that we ourselves exhibit. So God didn't make anything "wrong" (nor is there a God to make anything, imo), but behaviors make perfect sense for animals based on their cognative abilities.
no disrespect to anybody, but your right, when something is wrong people have the tendency to question it as if religion and god arent the ones at fault. its very hard to answer these questions sometimes.
Originally posted by ADarksideJediThe beauty of natural selection/evolution is in its staggering simplicity and common-sensibility (I'm almost tempted to argue that it is so wonderfully beautiful, only God could have created it 😉 ).
It has way too much holes in it.Religion has less.
No only does a literal interpretation of Biblical creation have more holes in it than evolution, the holes from religion aren't even empirically testable.
That aside, "God" and evolution are not necessarily mutually exclusive. A little common sense in biblical interpretation can go a long way.
an animal is just a classification for all living earth creatures.. hence we are an animal.. what kind is primate and if you want to further differentiate we are hominid or homo sapian sapian...
your distinction is arbitrary at best you saying we are not is just that you saying it.. but, it doesnt make it so..
you can call a dolphin a fish but that doesnt make him one he is a mammal and if you want to be more accurate it is a cetacean..
Originally posted by ADarksideJediIn a nutshell: a literal interpretation of creation has things popping into existence in final form based on the actions of an entity whose existence is empirically not verified. Evolution at least presents ideas and findings which can be tested.
I see what you are saying but what parts of the bible do you think has holes in it when talking about creation?
The Bible is such a richly textured document that can be interpreted on so many levels, why reduce it all to one-dimensional dogma? Why does it have to be God OR evolution?