Kyle Rayner vs Nate Grey

Nate FTW

ION ftw.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Nate FTW

Definately Nate, If this is Ion Kyle Post IC, then Nate can just either phase into him and rip his heart out, or screw him up mentally. Or just TK him in half or many other options.

Originally posted by Juntai
ION ftw.

It's not even a fight.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It's not even a fight.

If it's Original Ion I agree. If it's post IC Ion then this goes to Nate.

Originally posted by DarthZoom
If it's Original Ion I agree. If it's post IC Ion then this goes to Nate.

No.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No.

nice...

Originally posted by Warlord
nice...

Hey I already offered up ways he could do it.

yep...still the No-Yes debate was priceless

Originally posted by Warlord
yep...still the No-Yes debate was priceless

lol

Originally posted by DarthZoom
If it's Original Ion I agree. If it's post IC Ion then this goes to Nate.

This is post IC Ion. (What ever IC is). Why would Nate take the win?

Originally posted by DarthZoom
The ring doesn't add to the ION power really, it just keeps the lead from killing Yat.

Whether Yat or Kyle, X-man takes this unless it's original Ion.

Kyle has higher highs. Both in durability and energy output.

nathan's hot dogs ftw

Originally posted by id369
This is post IC Ion. (What ever IC is). Why would Nate take the win?

Infinate Crisis, and Nate has a stronger powerset. Plus GL's have had trouble with Hector Hammond mind controlling them. Your putting that up against a guy who can push Xavier out of the astral plane?

Kyle has higher highs. Both in durability and energy output.

Such as?

Originally posted by DarthZoom
Infinate Crisis, and Nate has a stronger powerset. Plus GL's have had trouble with Hector Hammond mind controlling them. Your putting that up against a guy who can push Xavier out of the astral plane?

With out any powers, Kyle has a rugged mental fortitude. He has overcome powerful telepaths in separate occasion. Psimon and the Controllers come to mind.

Originally posted by DarthZoom

Such as?

Durability.
Casually flying through a black hole.
Shields hold up against massive entropic energy washing over an entire region in space.
Shields hold up against massive antimatter storm, destroying entire solar systems.
Sustained an attack from Parallax in Zero Hour.

Originally posted by id369
With out any powers, Kyle has a rugged mental fortitude. He has overcome powerful telepaths in separate occasion. Psimon and the Controllers come to mind.

Again Hector Hammond gives GL's trouble. Parallax was able to control him.

Originally posted by DarthZoom
Again Hector Hammond gives GL's trouble. Parallax was able to control him.

This does not take away Kyle showings. Both Psymon and the Controllers are superior Hector Hammond.

Parallax is a different case. Telepathy was not the case of his control over Kyle. But the fact, that it is a parasitic leach that bounds to its host through fear.

Originally posted by id369
This does not take away Kyle showings. Both Psymon and the Controllers are superior Hector Hammond.

Parallax is a different case. Telepathy was not the case of his control over Kyle. But the fact, that it is a parasitic leach that bounds to its host through fear.

It still shows he can be controlled and Nate has TP stronger then Professor X. He has a power level on par with the Phoenix.

And whats to stop him from going intangible and just ripping out Kyle's heart?

Originally posted by DarthZoom
It still shows he can be controlled and Nate has TP stronger then Professor X. He has a power level on par with the Phoenix.

And whats to stop him from going intangible and just ripping out Kyle's heart?

Nate has never accessed those vast energy reserves and live to brag about them. The one time he did, he instantly overloaded himself and died.

What keeps Nate going intangible and ripping his heart out? You mean besides the shields? How about Kyle going intangible himself.