Bible Sued For Homophobia

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
its possible.

for example (and I hope i don't completely miss), I hate that my brother lied to me, but I don't hate my brother himself.

Yeah, anything is possible, but apply intellectual honest and what is more probable; it's likely people hate child-rapers because they hate child-rape, thieves because they hate theivery etc.

Lying isn't looked down upon as homosexuality (rape etc.) is in [this] society, so the comparison is questionable. There's also the family issue, which would affect your judgement.

yeah. really. hear me out.

if the rapist spent his entire life working in an orphanage because he wanted to make underprivileged children lives easier and donated the majority of his earnings to said orphanage, and never bothered anybody or caused trouble and was nice to everyone, then no i wouldnt hate him for doing what he did in fact i would pity him. if the man was an ******* and he spent multiple decades torturing children because their screams thrilled him then i would probably hate him and not pity him. if a nazi is in charge of a concentration camp and every day he kills a hundred jews but at night he writes home to his wife about how much he hates doing what he does and wishes he was back home with her and his son then i wouldnt hate him for doing it.

i dont ever have blanket feelings because i dont think one bad act can overwrite a lifetime of not being a bad person. i dont knee jerk.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Would you still like to argue that he is only disgusted by homosexuality, and not homosexuals?

thats kind of what he said.

"i am disgusted by homosexuality but have nothing against homosexuals."

thus its not really an argument but a statement of fact. 😛

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, anything is possible, but apply intellectual honest and what is more probable; it's likely people hate child-rapers because they hate child-rape, thieves because they hate theivery etc.

Lying isn't looked down upon as homosexuality (rape etc.) is in [this] society, so the comparison is questionable. There's also the family issue, which would affect your judgement.

true to both, but that was just as example. It's still sorta hits the same spot, if one argues that homosexuality, lying, raping, etc. are sins and are all on the same level.

you could hate a sin, but not the sinner. which Christians are trying to live by, and are already living by (some, anyway), so its possible.

still, possible.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
yeah. really. hear me out.

if the rapist spent his entire life working in an orphanage because he wanted to make underprivileged children lives easier and donated the majority of his earnings to said orphanage, and never bothered anybody or caused trouble and was nice to everyone, then no i wouldnt hate him for doing what he did in fact i would pity him. if the man was an ******* and he spent multiple decades torturing children because their screams thrilled him then i would probably hate him and not pity him. if a nazi is in charge of a concentration camp and every day he kills a hundred jews but at night he writes home to his wife about how much he hates doing what he does and wishes he was back home with her and his son then i wouldnt hate him for doing it.

i dont ever have blanket feelings because i dont think one bad act can overwrite a lifetime of not being a bad person.

You're interjecting a lot of "what ifs" into this. In the general sense of things, you hate child-rapist as you hate child-raping.

I would not agree homosexuality is a choice. Noone would choose to be a persecuted minority, for example.

Sure there is some kind of exception somewhere...

Originally posted by Robtard
You're interjecting a lot of "what ifs" into this. In the general sense of things, you hate child-rapist as you hate child-raping.

no i dont. because "what-ifs" in the context that i am using always exist no matter what and they are always numerous.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
"i am disgusted by homosexuality but have nothing against homosexuals."

can I argue that this is a psychologically untenable position?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
http://carnalnation.com/content/27776/10/gay-man-discovers-homophobia-bible-files-lawsuit

Somehow I don't see this going very far.

Wow... suing the publishers of a religious book because it states a religious belief... Is he suing publishers of the Q'uran aswell? It calls Homosexuality a sin too...

The whole "God hates the sin but not the sinner" thing feels like a load of bull to me. If God doesn't dislike sinners then he wouldn't send them to Hell right? God hates the sin but not the sinner...This is obviously a cover up.

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome

you could hate a sin, but not the sinner. which Christians are trying to live by, and are already living by (some, anyway), so its possible.

still, possible.

That's what I find a cop-out, imo. They're scapegoating their hate/bigotry under religion, again, imo.

I'd have more respect for them if they just came out and said "I hate f@ggots", as there's something to be said about brutal honesty.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I would not agree homosexuality is a choice. Noone would choose to be a persecuted minority, for example.

Sure there is some kind of exception somewhere...

i would disagree in that while it may not be a choice to become a homosexual it is possible to change yourself afterwords. i know of a couple guys who go to a church i used to go to who were homosexuals but felt that there feelings were "wrong" and so joined the church and over a couple years did various psychiatrist treatments/medication/study and the homosexual feelings began to recede.

i dont really see how that would be possible though.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Wow... suing the publishers of a religious book because it states a religious belief... Is he suing publishers of the Q'uran aswell? It calls Homosexuality a sin too...

Again, he's suing for a specific change, ie the addition of the word "homosexuality", when it wasn't there before.

EG If a publishers changed the word "ham" to "n*ggers" in Dr. Seus' "Green Eggs and Ham", Al Sharpton would sue.

Originally posted by inimalist
can I argue that this is a psychologically untenable position?

you could argue anything you want. doesnt mean its true though. 😛

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i would disagree in that while it may not be a choice to become a homosexual it is possible to change yourself afterwords. i know of a couple guys who go to a church i used to go to who were homosexuals but felt that there feelings were "wrong" and so joined the church and over a couple years did various psychiatrist treatments/medication/study and the homosexual feelings began to recede.

i dont really see how that would be possible though.

In all honestly, do you think they're straight, ie they have absolutely zero homosexual urges, or do you think they're two gay guys living a lie out of outside pressures telling them they were sinners on the path to hell?

Originally posted by Robtard
I do like that religious stance, 'we hate/dislike homosexuality, not the homosexual' to be funny. Complete cop-out.

We hate murder, not the murderer

We hate child-rape, not the child-rapist

We hate thievery, not the thieves.

Cop-out, cop-out, cop-out.

You do know that I've already posted "hate the sin, not the sinner", don't you?

I fail to see how it's a copout that's what Christians are SUPPOSED to do. 😐 You know, my whole point waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier in this thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's what I find a cop-out, imo. They're scapegoating their hate/bigotry under religion, again, imo.

I'd have more respect for them if they just came out and said "I hate f@ggots", as there's something to be said about brutal honesty.

It is possible to hate a sin and not the sinner.

i think in all honestly they didnt get rid of the urges so much as just oppressed them with guilt.

they werent "together" though. theyre complete strangers to one another before joining the church.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You do know that I've already posted "hate the sin, not the sinner", don't you?

I fail to see how it's a copout that's what Christians are SUPPOSED to do. 😐 You know, my whole point waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay earlier in this thread.

I'm well aware of the religious stance, but imo:

Originally posted by Robtard
That's what I find a cop-out, imo. They're scapegoating their hate/bigotry under religion, again, imo.

I'd have more respect for them if they just came out and said "I hate f@ggots", as there's something to be said about brutal honesty.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
you could argue anything you want. doesnt mean its true though. 😛

people don't like those who do things they don't like

its part of very basic categorization functions of the brain

think about how much you hate adulterers after finding out your partner has been having an affair

the meme of "hate the sin love the sinner" does a couple of things, but is largely used today to excuse people's hateful ideologies. Someone who hates homosexuality does not love homosexuals