u guys should just make ur own hate thread instead of bringing it here, especially when logan has consistently perform feats that u call pis b/c of ur imaginary lvl u think he should be.
if any of u guys bothered to read wolverine comics for more then just the last decade u would know logan doesnt get sloppy in berserker mode.......... he compresses all his fighting skill and fights on pure instinct it just looks like he is going wild b/c ppl cant see the complicated moves he is doing and simply seems like he is just hacking clawing and kicking........
Originally posted by Starscream M
wolverine is less skilled in berserker mode though
lulz
If you're basing that off Guggenheim's arc, you should know that he still has much to learn about Logan. Just like you.
Originally posted by dmills
Not anymore. Apparently now he is actually EVEN MORE skilled when in berserker mode. Imagine that.
"Not anymore"? It always worked like that. Read some comics.
Originally posted by Starscream M
since when? he becomes more animal like when berserker...he doesn't think as clearly...otherwise, its not really berserker
He can't resist the killing urge while berserker, that's all.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI know you do. It's called circular reasoning. You bring up scans and such of Wolverine doing a bunch of feats that I think are stupid. The fact that they're stupid doesn't change the fact that he did them. Just like it doesn't change my opinion that Wolverine by and large has become an inherently stupid character for the most part.
To bad I dont need your opinion when [b]I have facts, evidences ect. [/B]
logan was designed by the creators to be more then what current writers write him as.... hence why his early stories and mid between has logan with legitimate super strength, reflex/speed on par with early spider man......... ur mad and think its stupid b/c u lack actual knowledge of the character and have missed over thirty yrs of wolverine mythos and base ur opinion on modern ignorant writers........
logan berserker mode improves his reaction time, strength reflex, killer instinct....
1. he some times dodges or takes the hit to kill his opponent.
2. he stealth/kills/MA fights at an accelerated lvl.....
3. logan sees red and cant control how his body responds, sometimes he enjoys it when he hates his enemy sometimes he blacks out.....
4. the onset of the berserker mode is a sadistic grin and growl, he doesnt always slopper like a dog and chuck doodoo like some ppl want him to be in that mode....hell some times he is eerily quite and lacks any emotion like he is brain washed as when wpn X use to use him for assasinations
5. P.S. forgot take note key words here: instinctual preprogrammed moves at an accelerated rate....... equivelent to an olympic athlete playing multiple chess games in his head while doing his routine...... muscle memory logan: i dont have to think about my attack or defense muscle memory it allows him to think of other thinks while in mid battle....this while fighting multiple high end MA fighters: death, shingen, shogun
Originally posted by Starscream M
he becomes more feral and animal like during berserker, and he relies more on instinct than experience...hence being less skilled.
Like when he owned Crimson Dynamo, Ogun or Mister X?
His instincts are honed and tempered by his great MA knowledge, it was stated on panel.
Originally posted by dmills
I know you do. It's called circular reasoning. You bring up scans and such of Wolverine doing a bunch of feats that I think are stupid. The fact that they're stupid doesn't change the fact that he did them. Just like it doesn't change my opinion that Wolverine by and large has become an inherently stupid character for the most part.
yea I uses evidences to support my points. you write them off as being stupid and ignore them which is simply u allowing your bias to effect your opinion on the fact rather then looking at the facts.
when i start hearing comments like theirs i check to see how long they bn on............ usually to no surprise they are fairly new..... then of course u have others that we have learn to tolerate for example the transformer avatar guy........its has bn the same argument with him for over a yr now.... i think they sometimes act this way not b/c they dont know or lack knowledge but just to annoy ppl... after all how many times and how many yrs can u have the same argument and questions about the same thing....
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
logan was designed by the creators to be more then what current writers write him as.... hence why his early stories and mid between has logan with legitimate super strength, reflex/speed on par with early spider man......... ur mad and think its stupid b/c u lack actual knowledge of the character and have missed over thirty yrs of wolverine mythos and base ur opinion on modern ignorant writers........logan berserker mode improves his reaction time, strength reflex, killer instinct....
1. he some times dodges or takes the hit to kill his opponent.
2. he stealth/kills/MA fights at an accelerated lvl.....
3. logan sees red and cant control how his body responds, sometimes he enjoys it when he hates his enemy sometimes he blacks out.....
4. the onset of the berserker mode is a sadistic grin and growl, he doesnt always slopper like a dog and chuck doodoo like some ppl want him to be in that mode....hell some times he is eerily quite and lacks any emotion like he is brain washed as when wpn X use to use him for assasinations
5. P.S. forgot take note key words here: instinctual preprogrammed moves at an accelerated rate....... equivelent to an olympic athlete playing multiple chess games in his head while doing his routine...... muscle memory logan: i dont have to think about my attack or defense muscle memory it allows him to think of other thinks while in mid battle....this while fighting multiple high end MA fighters: death, shingen, shogun
The funny thing about it is that I think that's the cool stuff about him. I love everything you described. But that doesn't change the fact that he is often depicted doing things that are well beyond a character of his skill set. I mean come on, KOing Roughhouse bare knuckled?! Roughhouse is a class 50 being with the durability of an Asgardian rock troll and Wolverine KOed him?! Even the most ardent Wolverine fan has to admit the absurdity of that feat.
Originally posted by dmills
The funny thing about it is that I think that's the cool stuff about him. I love everything you described. But that doesn't change the fact that he is often depicted doing things that are well beyond a character of his skill set. I mean come on, KOing Roughhouse bare knuckled?! Roughhouse is a class 50 being with the durability of an Asgardian rock troll and Wolverine KOed him?! Even the most ardent Wolverine fan has to admit the absurdity of that feat.
Rough houses is not even bullet proof and rock trolls arnt either good read up on the characters before speaking.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowLook pal you don't have to get all Lord of the Flies with me. I'm not a NOOB looking to invade your turf. Relax.
when i start hearing comments like theirs i check to see how long they bn on............ usually to no surprise they are fairly new..... then of course u have others that we have learn to tolerate for example the transformer avatar guy........its has bn the same argument with him for over a yr now.... i think they sometimes act this way not b/c they dont know or lack knowledge but just to annoy ppl... after all how many times and how many yrs can u have the same argument and questions about the same thing....
Originally posted by dmills
Look pal you don't have to get all Lord of the Flies with me. I'm not a NOOB looking to invade your turf. Relax.
you need to read up on the characters your debating becuase I corrected you several times and each time you ben quite surprized about the infor being presented to you.
Originally posted by dmills
The funny thing about it is that I think that's the cool stuff about him. I love everything you described. But that doesn't change the fact that he is often depicted doing things that are well beyond a character of his skill set. I mean come on, KOing Roughhouse bare knuckled?! Roughhouse is a class 50 being with the durability of an Asgardian rock troll and Wolverine KOed him?! Even the most ardent Wolverine fan has to admit the absurdity of that feat.
He has superhuman stats.
Logan's adamantium skeleton works like a very advanced action figure, his limbs, etc. can't be ripped apart.
He hurt Spider-Man with his index finger.
Fighting skills 7/7. Shang-Chi fought The Thing and his skeleton isn't laced with adamantium, nor is he endowed with a regenerative healing factor.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He class 75 plus actaully.Rough houses is not even bullet proof and rock trolls arnt either good read up on the characters before speaking.
Huh??? Roughhouse isn't bullet proof? Rock Trolls aren't that good? Ever heard of Ulik? Rock Trolls are like most beings that dwell in Asgard, extremely durable. At least class 5.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWShang-chi should have been splattered in less then one panel.
He has superhuman stats.Logan's adamantium skeleton works like a very advanced action figure, his limbs, etc. can't be ripped apart.
He hurt Spider-Man with his index finger.
Fighting skills 7/7. Shang-Chi fought The Thing and his skeleton isn't laced with adamantium, nor is he endowed with a regenerative healing factor.
Originally posted by dmills
Huh??? Roughhouse isn't bullet proof? Rock Trolls aren't that good? Ever heard of Ulik? Rock Trolls are like most beings that dwell in Asgard, extremely durable. At least class 5.
Ulik is stronger than most rock trolls 😬
Originally posted by dmills
Shang-chi should have been splattered in less then one panel.
Ben is not a killer and he'd have to connect first facepalm