doomsday vs world war hulk

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Originally posted by -Pr-
he hit every member of a team where none of them were reknowned for their speed. hulk has tagged faster people than were on that justice league.
Superman is well known for his speed. What the hell are you talking about? He was one of the fastest beings in comicdom. Always has been since the beginning. So your statement about none being reknowned for their speed is not only asinine but pure trolling. Hell, Spider-man is a lot slower than
Superman yet Hulk can't touch him. Hulk has trouble even hitting captain america for crying out loud.

the superman who can "race a photon to it's target" is MUCH faster than DOS Superman. don't confuse dos superman with turn of the century superman. there is a huge difference.
No he isn't. Prove it. Turn of the century Superman is many times faster than light itself. John Byrne's Superman has always been on par with the speed of light. This is well known by all.

DOS Superman? Not by a whole lot.

DOS DD? the same.

Your answers prove that you are trolling. How did you get to become a moderator is beyond me. You can ask even the most Hulk bias people in the universe and none will say that Hulk is faster or has the same speed as DD. Their speed difference very apparent.

I guess WW Hulk is fast enough to almost pick a hail of individual bullets out of the air one at a time, (since DOS Superman is only a little faster than him). 🙄

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can't hold back his durability as it is a function of his strength which is a function of his anger. Meaning, if Hulk is strong enough to break the world then he is certainly more durable than a Hulk who can't.

Yes Hulk wanted to be defeated. That is why he just stood there. If he didn't want to be defeated he could have moved or jumped out of the way or just broke the Earth at that moment.

The writer stated this. He held back going all out which would have made him even more dangerous and more energy would have leaked out.

Originally posted by h1a8
Based off Superman's and Gardener's comments ("didn't even see him move", "faster than flash", "his speed", etc.). Also based on and backed up by him blitzing the entire JL simultaneously from far back before they all can react.
are u referring to the time dd blitzed the jla after they all blasted him togeather? if so its not really all that impressive since they just got beat down by dd and were weakend, and then they put all their energy into their blasts to the point where they could barely stand. guy was even referred to as beaten to a pulp, and half blind, just before the attack, fire couldnt even maintain a flame, bloodwynd stated he was weakend, and boosters power cells were drained.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is well known for his speed. What the hell are you talking about? He was one of the fastest beings in comicdom. Always has been since the beginning. So your statement about none being reknowned for their speed is not only asinine but pure trolling. Hell, Spider-man is a lot slower than
Superman yet Hulk can't touch him. Hulk has trouble even hitting captain america for crying out loud.
No he isn't. Prove it. Turn of the century Superman is many times faster than light itself. John Byrne's Superman has always been on par with the speed of light. This is well known by all.

Your answers prove that you are trolling. How did you get to become a moderator is beyond me. You can ask even the most Hulk bias people in the universe and none will say that Hulk is faster or has the same speed as DD. Their speed difference very apparent.

I guess WW Hulk is fast enough to [b]almost pick a hail of individual bullets out of the air one at a time, (since DOS Superman is only a little faster than him). 🙄 [/B]

i tend to believe Pr when it comes to superman, and i'm not the only one.

just saying.

what is the hulks upper limit concerning strength and durability? marvels always said that as his anger increased all of his physical abilities did to.the longer a fight goes the further it goes in his favor. ican their be a upper limit to how mad he gets? doubt it. world war hulk was the strongest version possibly,but possibly not the strongest version that COULD BE!

Originally posted by h1a8
True to an extent except that he can't control his durability which is a function of his strength which is a function of his rage.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can't hold back his durability as it is a function of his strength which is a function of his anger. Meaning, if Hulk is strong enough to break the world then he is certainly more durable than a Hulk who can't.

Yes Hulk wanted to be defeated. That is why he just stood there. If he didn't want to be defeated he could have moved or jumped out of the way or just broke the Earth at that moment.

That's twice you've stated this. But you're wrong. Durability is not proportional to strength at all. Not in the slightest. All his powers are directly and solely proportional to his rage. Except if he's willfully restricting his powers. A normal human that can bench press 400 pounds can still be hurt with far less than 400 pounds of force. You don't need to be as strong as someone to hurt them. Especially with superhumans, as their physiology no longer(or sometimes never had) follows the rules of standard human physiology. That's why Namor is able to hurt guys like Hulk and Thor without ever showing the potential to be a planet buster. Bottom line, with normal humans, and actually any living thing, durability is governed by genetic design, and not based on muscle mass. And again, Hulk is a superhuman, so his durability could be the result of a number of things. Not to mention, despite that 2003 Ang Lee piece of crap, Hulk does not get bigger, or grow more muscle mass, when he gets angrier. His powers simply amp.

Originally posted by sharky137
what is the hulks upper limit concerning strength and durability? marvels always said that as his anger increased all of his physical abilities did to.the longer a fight goes the further it goes in his favor. ican their be a upper limit to how mad he gets? doubt it. world war hulk was the strongest version possibly,but possibly not the strongest version that COULD BE!

No green Hulk has an upper limit. As stated by a cosmic, an ancient, and an abstract, Hulk's strength in particular is potentially infinite. WWHulk had the easiest time in reaching those levels, but technically, Savage Hulk also holds that potential.

Originally posted by Master Court
That's twice you've stated this. But you're wrong. Durability is not proportional to strength at all. Not in the slightest. All his powers are directly and solely proportional to his rage. Except if he's willfully restricting his powers. A normal human that can bench press 400 pounds can still be hurt with far less than 400 pounds of force. You don't need to be as strong as someone to hurt them. Especially with superhumans, as their physiology no longer(or sometimes never had) follows the rules of standard human physiology. That's why Namor is able to hurt guys like Hulk and Thor without ever showing the potential to be a planet buster. Bottom line, with normal humans, and actually any living thing, durability is governed by genetic design, and not based on muscle mass. And again, Hulk is a superhuman, so his durability could be the result of a number of things. Not to mention, despite that 2003 Ang Lee piece of crap, Hulk does not get bigger, or grow more muscle mass, when he gets angrier. His powers simply amp.
Durability is proportional to his strength otherwise he would fail to lift something. I mainly referring to one's body being able to support weight. The stronger one is then the more they can support weight (which is durability). It is also proven in comics that Hulk's skin gets harder when he gets madder (or stronger-same thing). They are all tied together.

And how can I be wrong when you are saying the same thing as me. His durability and strength are tied to his rage right? That implies the madder he gets the stronger he gets. That implies that madder he gets the more durable he gets. Thus by the transitive property of logic the stronger he gets the more durable he gets.

No green Hulk has an upper limit. As stated by a cosmic, an ancient, and an abstract, Hulk's strength in particular is potentially infinite. WWHulk had the easiest time in reaching those levels, but technically, Savage Hulk also holds that potential.

Hulk strength is not potentially infinite because it is impossible for it to reach infinity in the first place. Hulk could gain a gazillion tons of strength every nanosecond and still not reach infinity even if he will live forever. Thus his strength is not potentially infinite.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i tend to believe Pr when it comes to superman, and i'm not the only one.

just saying.

Believe what? That Superman is only a little faster than Hulk? If so then I wouldn't believe you if you paid me a million dollars (I would lie though and say I believe you 😂 ). I would consider you lying to me.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is well known for his speed. What the hell are you talking about? He was one of the fastest beings in comicdom. Always has been since the beginning. So your statement about none being reknowned for their speed is not only asinine but pure trolling. Hell, Spider-man is a lot slower than
Superman yet Hulk can't touch him. Hulk has trouble even hitting captain america for crying out loud.

dos superman wasn't. this is the superman that couldn't travel fast enough in space to not need the use of a teleporter. it's a well known fact that by the time loeb, casey and carey had come along, that superman has been MASSIVELY upgraded. if you'd read the comics as much as you'd claimed, you'd know this.

he's a lot stronger, faster and just plain better than that superman. it's why exploding gas stations don't do as much as tickle nowadays.

No he isn't. Prove it. Turn of the century Superman is many times faster than light itself. John Byrne's Superman has always been on par with the speed of light. This is well known by all.

i know all about turn of the century superman. i also know that superman between DOS and H/P was upgraded, never mind between DOS and the turn of the century. Since 1986 Superman has been consistently written as being better and better. DOS Superman had the odd strength feat, but his speed was never anything to write home about, especially when it came to reflexes.

Your answers prove that you are trolling. How did you get to become a moderator is beyond me. You can ask even the most Hulk bias people in the universe and none will say that Hulk is faster or has the same speed as DD. Their speed difference very apparent.

I guess WW Hulk is fast enough to almost pick a hail of individual bullets out of the air one at a time, (since DOS Superman is only a little faster than him). 🙄

wow. classy, aren't we?

i've read all of hulk too. and i do mean all of it. wwh was able to hang with people like extremis iron man and the sentry, who do have decent speed feats. were they going all out in terms of speed? of course not, but the fact remains that they have some measure of speed.

being snarky about the whole thing only makes yourself look bad, and yet i still took the time to reply to you. i'll spell it out for you.

DOS Superman's Travel Speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS DD.

DOS Superman's Reflex Speed > DOS DD, but not by much.

DOS Superman's Travel Speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WWH.

DOS Superman's Reflex Speed > DOS DD > WWH, but not by much

2000 Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS Superman in pretty much every way.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i tend to believe Pr when it comes to superman, and i'm not the only one.

just saying.

haw-som

Originally posted by h1a8
Believe what? That Superman is only a little faster than Hulk? If so then I wouldn't believe you if you paid me a million dollars (I would lie though and say I believe you 😂 ). I would consider you lying to me.

don't twist my words.

Can someone show me a doomsday speed feat because if not its hyperbole.

DOS DD speed

Originally posted by h1a8
Durability is proportional to his strength otherwise he would fail to lift something. I mainly referring to one's body being able to support weight. The stronger one is then the more they can support weight (which is durability). It is also proven in comics that Hulk's skin gets harder when he gets madder (or stronger-same thing). They are all tied together.

And how can I be wrong when you are saying the same thing as me. His durability and strength are tied to his rage right? That implies the madder he gets the stronger he gets. That implies that madder he gets the more durable he gets. Thus by the transitive property of logic the stronger he gets the more durable he gets.

Hulk strength is not potentially infinite because it is impossible for it to reach infinity in the first place. Hulk could gain a gazillion tons of strength every nanosecond and still not reach infinity even if he will live forever. Thus his strength is not potentially infinite.

His powers are all proportionate to his rage, but still individually effected and in no way related to his other powers. They merely have a common source. His powers basically work the same as how Iron Man has to adjust his power output to support different systems on his suit, except Hulk's are auto-amp and are subject to predefined energy distribution. And as for lifting things; if you press a mountain over your head, it's not durability that keeps you from being squished. It's the strength of your muscles. If you stop holding it up, it will squish you. Muscle tissue supports itself with pushing, pulling, and pressing, but what clearly separates it from durability is tensile strength. Meaning, Hulk can hold a 150 billion ton mountain right over his head, and because he's so damn strong he won't get squished. However, can he lift it from the side and hold both ends evenly off the ground? Or will his muscles and bones stretch, tear, and break? Durability like Juggernaut's all but makes Juggernaut completely impervious to damage. Juggernaut can probably lift long heavy objects from a single side, without pressing it, because his durability probably affords him much greater tensile strength. So, really, the durability strength grants is really only for lifting, pressing, and pulling, and not necessarily what keeps Hulk on his feet when he get clocked by mjolnir. After all, there's not much muscle between the skin, the skull, and the brain. On the other hand, Hulk has had his hand injured by punching mjolnir.

As for "infinite". Stop being f*cking picky. It's clearly used in the sense that the word means Hulk's strength will grow continuously, without ever stopping, to unimaginable peaks, and then some. In comic terms, that means that Hulk could theoretically get strong enough to one-shot Thor, Thanos, Darkseid, Superman, Superboy Prime, Trion Juggernaut, fully-fed Galactus, all the Celestials, LT, and the writer of the comic. Now I know how that sounds, and I know very well it's unlikely he'll ever be allowed to reach such fun-crushing peaks, but by the definition of "infinite", Hulk can theoretically reach the level of strength to do this sh*t. Often enough, Hulk only ever gets just noticeably stronger than his enemies, as they obviously wouldn't want Hulk one-shotting everyone, but Hulk has to prove his catchphrase has some merit, or the character himself loses all merit.

Originally posted by carver9
Can someone show me a doomsday speed feat because if not its hyperbole.

see what spire posted? its the same thing i showed you before.

Originally posted by -Pr-

DOS Superman's Travel Speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS DD.

DOS Superman's Reflex Speed > DOS DD, but not by much.

DOS Superman's Travel Speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WWH.

DOS Superman's Reflex Speed > DOS DD > WWH, but not by much

2000 Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS Superman in pretty much every way.

haw-som

don't twist my words.

Ok that's better. I agree with you now. I believe DOS DD's reflexes are no where near on par with his attack speed. And if he didn't throw an attack first WWH could hit him and beat him. But know that DOS DD's attack speed>>>WWH's Attack Speed. That is why I say he will hit Hulk first which would win the fight. Otherwise WW Hulk wins evertime.

Originally posted by Master Court
His powers are all proportionate to his rage, but still individually effected and in no way related to his other powers. They merely have a common source. His powers basically work the same as how Iron Man has to adjust his power output to support different systems on his suit, except Hulk's are auto-amp and are subject to predefined energy distribution. And as for lifting things; if you press a mountain over your head, it's not durability that keeps you from being squished. It's the strength of your muscles. If you stop holding it up, it will squish you. Muscle tissue supports itself with pushing, pulling, and pressing, but what clearly separates it from durability is tensile strength. Meaning, Hulk can hold a 150 billion ton mountain right over his head, and because he's so damn strong he won't get squished. However, can he lift it from the side and hold both ends evenly off the ground? Or will his muscles and bones stretch, tear, and break? Durability like Juggernaut's all but makes Juggernaut completely impervious to damage. Juggernaut can probably lift long heavy objects from a single side, without pressing it, because his durability probably affords him much greater tensile strength. So, really, the durability strength grants is really only for lifting, pressing, and pulling, and not necessarily what keeps Hulk on his feet when he get clocked by mjolnir. After all, there's not much muscle between the skin, the skull, and the brain. On the other hand, Hulk has had his hand injured by punching mjolnir.

As for "infinite". Stop being f*cking picky. It's clearly used in the sense that the word means Hulk's strength will grow continuously, without ever stopping, to unimaginable peaks, and then some. In comic terms, that means that Hulk could theoretically get strong enough to one-shot Thor, Thanos, Darkseid, Superman, Superboy Prime, Trion Juggernaut, fully-fed Galactus, all the Celestials, LT, and the writer of the comic. Now I know how that sounds, and I know very well it's unlikely he'll ever be allowed to reach such fun-crushing peaks, but by the definition of "infinite", Hulk can theoretically reach the level of strength to do this sh*t. Often enough, Hulk only ever gets just noticeably stronger than his enemies, as they obviously wouldn't want Hulk one-shotting everyone, but Hulk has to prove his catchphrase has some merit, or the character himself loses all merit.

I totally disagree with Hulk holding up that mountain (or portion of it). That is considered PIS since it is so far out of average range it's ridiculous. Hulk wasn't even that mad when he did that. Before the 90's comics are far more inconsistent.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok that's better. I agree with you now. I believe DOS DD's reflexes are no where near on par with his attack speed. And if he didn't throw an attack first WWH could hit him and beat him. But know that DOS DD's attack speed>>>WWH's Attack Speed. That is why I say he will hit Hulk first which would win the fight. Otherwise WW Hulk wins evertime.

you think one punch is going to put wwh down?

Originally posted by -Pr-
you think one punch is going to put wwh down?

No!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a firm believer in the combo to ko principle.

Originally posted by h1a8
No!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a firm believer in the combo to ko principle.

That DD can hit Hulk enough times and KO him before Hulk can react/attack?

Originally posted by Spire
DOS DD speed


Doesn't Superman say he is lighting fast. I rather believe Superman's word, then BG who doesn't have the same senses as Superman

Originally posted by -Pr-
That DD can hit Hulk enough times and KO him before Hulk can react/attack?

Ok let me explain the combo to ko principle.

One can achieve a combo to ko on another by doing the following:

1. The first hit stuns
2. The second hit stuns and is applied before then stun effect wears off from the first hit.
3. The second hit now acts as the first hit. So repeat steps 1. and 2. until ko.

If any of the first two steps fail then the victim can escape the combo and possibly make a willful move of their own.

This principle is best shown in video games like Street Fighter II. It is also shown in real life boxing and even in comics themselves.