Originally posted by iceman24567
Everything typed about these battles are opinion i don't have to put imo unless i feel like it. WWh wasn't impressive considering he didn't beat any top tier characters without PIS being a factor.
PIS argument as a real basis to back-up your opinion,not really need to read more...............
This thread goes nowhere..............
Originally posted by Devron87Yeah because Strange ending his attack because of civilians then getting koed isn't PIS? I see ignore PIS to make WWh look more impressive than he was. You are correct this thread is going nowhere especially when you choose to ignore obvious PIS 👆. Strange could have easily bfred Hulk with a thought why didn't he? Definitely not PIS 🙄
PIS argument as a real basis to back-up your opinion,not really need to read more...............
This thread goes nowhere..............
Originally posted by iceman24567he couldn't take what hulk dished out is all,
Yeah because Strange ending his attack because of civilians then getting koed isn't PIS? I see ignore PIS to make WWh look more impressive than he was. You are correct this thread is going nowhere especially when you choose to ignore obvious PIS 👆. Strange could have easily bfred Hulk with a thought why didn't he? Definitely not PIS 🙄
Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah because Strange ending his attack because of civilians then getting koed isn't PIS? I see ignore PIS to make WWh look more impressive than he was. You are correct this thread is going nowhere especially when you choose to ignore obvious PIS 👆. Strange could have easily bfred Hulk with a thought why didn't he? Definitely not PIS 🙄
like i already said,this thread going nowhere,your opinion is filled with PIS,or what you believe to be Plot Induced Stupidity.........
the fact on panel is WWH knows he can not beat Zom/Stange by a conventional way,he used a twisted tactic with a vicious morality to achieve its objective,it's just a way to show,what level of immorality WWH may have to get his revenge on the Illuminatis,is a war all the means are good to revenge,you don't like it,but this is not necessarily PIS,the immorality fit with a character motivated by revenge/hatred......
WWH does not care about morality,He is on the wrong side,it knows it,and he hates himself for that,in the the original script he supposed to commits an Mental suicide............
"you choose to ignore obvious PIS",according to your point of view only,simplistic.............
Originally posted by Devron87YES...the same way him and his son skaar did to win against Juggernaut, to me Doomsday's durability and stamina are close to Juggernaut, Hulk bleeded from a punch of beast, Doomsday was takin a all out supes punches very well
like i already said,this thread going nowhere,your opinion is filled with PIS,or what you believe to be Plot Induced Stupidity.........
the fact on panel is WWH knows he can not beat Zom/Stange by a conventional way,
Savage Hulk > DOS Doomsday
WWHulk => Any Doomsday
Hulk amps much faster than people realize. When he meets a challenge, it usually pisses him off enough to amp him up to snuff on the spot. That's how he goes straight into beating on Thor just seconds after Hulking-out. And his durability has taken the hardest hits from planet-busters like Gladiator and Thor. Saying any version of Doomsday KO's Hulk is just... well, either a very biased or very uninformed statement. Is it possible? Sure. Doomsday's in the league. Superman-level, like Thor, Surfer, Glad's, etc. But in the same way, it's possible for Hulk to KO all those f*ckers too. Hulk's beaten Hercules and Gladiator senseless. One's held the Earth, the other's shattered planets. So Hulk is easily capable of KO'ing Doomsday. But these fights are based on high showings, power, intelligence, and skill.
Savage Hulk is probably more powerful than DOS Doomsday or can be within moments. WWHulk is way more powerful than DOS DD. And WWHulk probably starts as powerful as HP Doomsday right off the bat, and can always tap into his World Breaker power. And he's obviously a way better fighter. He didn't just rely on his powers to brick through everything. He's smart, too. Way smarter than HP Doomsday. WWHulk is like a much more powerful pre-Red-Hulk Red-Green-Hulk. WWH can take Doomsday. Any Doomsday, given the right incentive, even if just for pride.
PS. It's late where I am, and I haven't slept in days, so this post isn't going to be as cohesive and coherent as usual. But I'm sure you get the gist of it.
Originally posted by nicamarvin
YES...the same way him and his son skaar did to win against Juggernaut, to me Doomsday's durability and stamina are close to Juggernaut, Hulk bleeded from a punch of beast, Doomsday was takin a all out supes punches very well
and? this is all your entire point? World War Hulk bleeded from a punch of beast,mean to you with some ABC logic that it is obvious,he can't take blows by a new fully charged juggernaut?
and by your logic Doomsday's durability and stamina are close to Juggernaut,so basicaly if WWH can stand,fight,give blows,and greatly slowing juggernaut,a being powered by an Mystic Demon/God he useless against Doomsday?mmmh?
so by your logic Beast can Take blows by a Fully charged Juggernaut/Doomsday/Superman,the guy is able to bleeded WWH........
Bleeded WWH mean absolutly nothing,just WWH can bleed...........
everybody knows that WWH don't have an insane HF..........
You bad man,really.............
Originally posted by Master Court
Savage Hulk > DOS DoomsdayWWHulk => Any Doomsday
Hulk amps much faster than people realize. When he meets a challenge, it usually pisses him off enough to amp him up to snuff on the spot. That's how he goes straight into beating on Thor just seconds after Hulking-out. And his durability has taken the hardest hits from planet-busters like Gladiator and Thor. Saying any version of Doomsday KO's Hulk is just... well, either a very biased or very uninformed statement. Is it possible? Sure. Doomsday's in the league. Superman-level, like Thor, Surfer, Glad's, etc. But in the same way, it's possible for Hulk to KO all those f*ckers too. Hulk's beaten Hercules and Gladiator senseless. One's held the Earth, the other's shattered planets. So Hulk is easily capable of KO'ing Doomsday. But these fights are based on high showings, power, intelligence, and skill.
Savage Hulk is probably more powerful than DOS Doomsday or can be within moments. WWHulk is way more powerful than DOS DD. And WWHulk probably starts as powerful as HP Doomsday right off the bat, and can always tap into his World Breaker power. And he's obviously a way better fighter. He didn't just rely on his powers to brick through everything. He's smart, too. Way smarter than HP Doomsday. WWHulk is like a much more powerful pre-Red-Hulk Red-Green-Hulk. WWH can take Doomsday. Any Doomsday, given the right incentive, even if just for pride.
PS. It's late where I am, and I haven't slept in days, so this post isn't going to be as cohesive and coherent as usual. But I'm sure you get the gist of it.
Originally posted by Devron87NO just stating that Juggernaut>>DOS Doomsday>>Hulk for brawlers.......! hulk cant deal with uber brawlers, he always trick them or plays unfair, ask HKH, Juggernaut, Maestro Hulk, Original Abomination, Asgardian destroyer, Apoc, Rulk and if you put him in a fight with a brawler like DOS he will do the same, CHEAT..!!!!!!!!!...and Skaar is the same cheater...
and? this is all your entire point? World War Hulk bleeded from a punch of beast,mean to you with some ABC logic that it is obvious,he can't take blows by a new fully charged juggernaut?
and by your logic Doomsday's durability and stamina are close to Juggernaut,so basicaly if WWH can stand,fight,give blows,and greatly slowing juggernaut,a being powered by an Mystic Demon/God he useless against Doomsday?mmmh?
so by your logic Beast can Take blows by a Fully charged Juggernaut/Doomsday/Superman,the guy is able to bleeded WWH........
Bleeded WWH mean absolutly nothing,just WWH can bleed...........
everybody knows that WWH don't have an insane HF..........
You bad man,really.............
Originally posted by nicamarvin
NO just stating that Juggernaut>>DOS Doomsday>>Hulk for brawlers.......! hulk cant deal with uber brawlers, he always trick them or plays unfair, ask HKH, Juggernaut, Maestro Hulk, Original Abomination, Asgardian destroyer, Apoc, Rulk and if you put him in a fight with a brawler like DOS he will do the same, CHEAT..!!!!!!!!!...and Skaar is the same cheater...
Beast Bleeded WWH and Hulk is a cheater,you added cheater this time.........your whole point,really?
add imo,and consult the Hulk respect thread,time to go for me,this thread is....,arf...........
doesn't matter the incarnation,sound like Puck>>>>>>Hulk on KMC,or something like that.........
Have a good day,bad booooy.................
Originally posted by iceman24567
I don't agree HP starts out at Darkseid wrecking levels 😬. Plus HP isn't the most powerful version of Doomsday imo but to each his own take your ass to bed.
Well, after reviewing my zombie post, I agree with your disagreement. Sort of. HP Doomsday does indeed start off at Darkseid-buster levels. So, the docile WWHulk that was just going around bruising everyone and getting his point across probably isn't very close to HP Doomsday. However, they said more than once during the arc that WWHulk was the most powerful version of Hulk ever. Whether that stands when taking Maestro and War Hulk into account is difficult to say. Not everyone knows of War Hulk and Maestro. However, all the heroes have seen Savage Hulk and other incarnations at amazing peaks of power over the years, such as the Onslaught armor deal, the weakened Banner-Hulk catching the mountain, knocking aside a group of Namor, Hercules, Iron Man, Doc Samson, and She-Hulk with one gesture while they tried to restrain him. Hulk's had a ton of team-bashing showings, much like Doomsday has trashed the JLA a few times now. Hulk's performed virtually every "impossible" feat that's been set before him. The only thing left is to lift Mjolnir.
Digressing, WWHulk is, according to canon, the most powerful Hulk ever(give or take Maestro and/or War Hulk). While WWHulk was "calm", he seemed to be able to abuse his strength for whatever he intended, except stopping Juggernaut. He never seemed to be in any real danger during the arc. He looked bored in all his fights, healed all the damage in seconds, beat everyone up or outsmarted them. All the while, we never saw his true potential. When he went World Breaker, though, he went from having city-block-leveling fights with guys like Sentry and Zom/Strange, to threatening a continental seaboard just by adjusting his footing. And it's easy enough to argue that, given the nature of Hulk's power, not ever World Breaker was a true upper limit. After all, despite the massive damage he was doing, it was still unintentional, and he was holding back as well. Plus, given the fact that the only time the WWHulk persona resurfaced, he only identified himself as the World Breaker and was surging with power. I think it's very likely that World Breaker is more powerful than any Doomsday.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Of course Supes was faster against Rex, his(Superman's) powers have been increasing steadily since he was revived after his fight with Doomsday. If Supes were anywhere near as fast then as he is now, it wouldn't have taken him and DD anywhere near as long to cross the country to get to Metropolis.Any proof that DOS DD has enough of a speed advantage against Hulk to pull an actual blitz against him and/or avoid every punch he throws?
The proof is that DOS DD blitzed the entire Justice League from at least a hundred meters away. He moved so fast that he simultaneously hit every member at once. Superman complained of his speed after that attack. Although that Superman was slower than the current one he was still fast enough to pick bullets out of the air like they are standing still. Also is the comment that DD "is faster than flash". Why didn't the JL member say "as fast as flash" instead of "faster"? Now DD may not have been faster than flash, but for a seasoned super hero to make that comment means that DD had some ugly speed. Far faster than any version of Hulk.
Now DD wouldn't ever need to avoid any of Hulk attacks. He would be the first to attack by being the faster. Then after the first stunning hit more will be added, until Hulk is koed or dead.
Originally posted by -Pr-
good god.Superman in OWAW, the one that subsequently fought Rex, was FAR faster than the one from DOS. How can you not know that?
it's not moot when you made the claim. DOS DD was fast enough to match that Superman, but he was not nearly as fast as current Doomsday reflex wise.
It is moot because it has nothing to do with who wins here. Superman being faster today has nothing to do with DOS DD not being faster than Hulk.
Originally posted by Master CourtMuch better post 👆
Well, after reviewing my zombie post, I agree with your disagreement. Sort of. HP Doomsday does indeed start off at Darkseid-buster levels. So, the docile WWHulk that was just going around bruising everyone and getting his point across probably isn't very close to HP Doomsday. However, they said more than once during the arc that WWHulk was the most powerful version of Hulk ever. Whether that stands when taking Maestro and War Hulk into account is difficult to say. Not everyone knows of War Hulk and Maestro. However, all the heroes have seen Savage Hulk and other incarnations at amazing peaks of power over the years, such as the Onslaught armor deal, the weakened Banner-Hulk catching the mountain, knocking aside a group of Namor, Hercules, Iron Man, Doc Samson, and She-Hulk with one gesture while they tried to restrain him. Hulk's had a ton of team-bashing showings, much like Doomsday has trashed the JLA a few times now. Hulk's performed virtually every "impossible" feat that's been set before him. The only thing left is to lift Mjolnir.Digressing, WWHulk is, according to canon, the most powerful Hulk ever(give or take Maestro and/or War Hulk). While WWHulk was "calm", he seemed to be able to abuse his strength for whatever he intended, except stopping Juggernaut. He never seemed to be in any real danger during the arc. He looked bored in all his fights, healed all the damage in seconds, beat everyone up or outsmarted them. All the while, we never saw his true potential. When he went World Breaker, though, he went from having city-block-leveling fights with guys like Sentry and Zom/Strange, to threatening a continental seaboard just by adjusting his footing. And it's easy enough to argue that, given the nature of Hulk's power, not ever World Breaker was a true upper limit. After all, despite the massive damage he was doing, it was still unintentional, and he was holding back as well. Plus, given the fact that the only time the WWHulk persona resurfaced, he only identified himself as the World Breaker and was surging with power. I think it's very likely that World Breaker is more powerful than any Doomsday.
Originally posted by h1a8
The proof is that DOS DD blitzed the entire Justice League from at least a hundred meters away. He moved so fast that he simultaneously hit every member at once. Superman complained of his speed after that attack. Although that Superman was slower than the current one he was still fast enough to pick bullets out of the air like they are standing still. Also is the comment that DD "is faster than flash". Why didn't the JL member say "as fast as flash" instead of "faster"? Now DD may not have been faster than flash, but for a seasoned super hero to make that comment means that DD had some ugly speed. Far faster than any version of Hulk.Now DD wouldn't ever need to avoid any of Hulk attacks. He would be the first to attack by being the faster. Then after the first stunning hit more will be added, until Hulk is koed or dead.
It is moot because it has nothing to do with who wins here. Superman being faster today has nothing to do with DOS DD not being faster than Hulk.
it's not about superman being faster. it's about dd rex being faster than dos dd, which he is. dos dd doesn't have many great speed feats.
The question still remains, could Doomsday hurt World War Hulk at his most powerful? I mean if I fought a child that was fast enough to hit me ten times before I hit him once, does that mean that he'd win? All I would need is one good punch and and the kid would be floored.
It was recently written that the more powerful the Hulk became the tougher he became. Ref* Wolverine was barely even able to cut his skin, and his claws go through reinforced steel like a hot knife through butter. This in itself says a lot about just how durable the Hulk was, not to mention how much more durable he was when he went world breaker on everyone. Onslaught wasn't able to put the Hulk away neither would Doomsday if he was written properly.
Doomsday Rex was made to look like he moved like a turtle compared to guys like Sentry, and Superman. Rex was unable to land a single punch on Superman, which makes his so called super speed look like a farce. Deathstroke was able to tag the Flash as well, but this does not mean that he's taking Superman, much less the most powerful incarnation of the Hulk to date.
Judging from destructive feats alone King Hulk has Doomsdays number.