Anakin Skywalker (ROTS), Galen Marek, and Luke Skywalker (ROTJ) vs. Darth Sidious

Started by Darth Subjekt4 pages

Studying what? What's the source for that?

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Studying what? What's the source for that?

Are you serious? You think Luke just magically learned how to create a lightsaber on his own or that he just found his new green one before ROTJ?

After ESB Luke did go to Ben's house and learned how to construct a lightsaber I believe it's in Shadows of the empire but I could be wrong.

Am I serious for asking for the source that states that? Um...yea. What kind of artifacts could possibly be left behind? You think OB1 put a tutorial on youtube on how to create a lightsaber? Look, I know he constructed his green saber in Ben's old house, but I was reading something where Jedi were told how to do it and had to call upon the force to help them. What if Ben was out getting milk one day and some crackhead tusken raider broke in looking for stereo equipment to pawn to Watto for a quick fix, and they look down... oh shit, a detailed owner's manual on how to build a saber!?! Now doesn't that see silly? To the best of my knowledge, OB1 didn't have any holocrons or archives from the temples, so really... or seriously, what was he studying?

In the Shadows of the Empire book it says that Ben had left things for Luke to study from. This is how he learned to build his saber and, presumably, Force Choke those Gamorreans. Who knows what else he did for SEVERAL MONTHS there. Watch TV?

Right, because OB1 always went around choking people. We never see Anakin being taught that... he just did it when he was enraged and using the darkside. Luke doing that was done to show the similarities between him and Vader, along with his all black outfit. So basically, you all have no idea what he did there,save for building a lightsaber? Just say that then.

How is choking a person someone all that complex? It's just an applied form of TK that for some bizarre reason is considered "Dark Side".

Can you point out to me when I said it was complex? I said that OB1 never did it because its considered a darkside attack. It's using the force to offensively and purposely kill someone.

Granted Luke only did it to the point of unconsciousness, but it was purposely done, along with a few other things, to show the similarities between him and his father.

Easy peezy Lemon-squeezy. Autokrat was directing no venom at you.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Am I serious for asking for the source that states that? Um...yea. What kind of artifacts could possibly be left behind? You think OB1 put a tutorial on youtube on how to create a lightsaber? Look, I know he constructed his green saber in Ben's old house, but I was reading something where Jedi were [b]told how to do it and had to call upon the force to help them. What if Ben was out getting milk one day and some crackhead tusken raider broke in looking for stereo equipment to pawn to Watto for a quick fix, and they look down... oh shit, a detailed owner's manual on how to build a saber!?! Now doesn't that see silly? To the best of my knowledge, OB1 didn't have any holocrons or archives from the temples, so really... or seriously, what was he studying? [/B]

well you kind of answered that one on your own yes obi-wan DID leave instructions on HOW to create a lightsaber. It does still take the force to attune a crystal into the right positions to make the lightsaber work properly also if you recall Ullic built a lightsaber AFTER he was stripped of the force so it IS possible for non force sensatives to create a lightsaber if they know how.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Right, because OB1 always went around choking people. We never see Anakin being taught that... he just did it when he was enraged and using the darkside. Luke doing that was done to show the similarities between him and Vader, along with his all black outfit. So basically, you all have no idea what he did there,save for building a lightsaber? Just say that then.

So then what was Luke doing for all that time he spent studing at Obi-wan's house?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Easy peezy Lemon-squeezy. Autokrat was directing no venom at you.
Nor was I.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
well you kind of answered that one on your own yes obi-wan DID leave instructions on HOW to create a lightsaber. It does still take the force to attune a crystal into the right positions to make the lightsaber work properly also if you recall Ullic built a lightsaber AFTER he was stripped of the force so it IS possible for non force sensatives to create a lightsaber if they know how.
Why would he leave a written down tutorial on how to build one? Why wouldn't have just learned that from Yoda, lost daddy's, then go back to Ben's hut and build it from what Yoda taught him? I'm really only arguing the point of what Ben left there for him.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
So then what was Luke doing for all that time he spent studing at Obi-wan's house?
Exactly my point. We don't know. But whatever it was, it wasn't enough for him to be in the league of these guys...

You'd think Ben would have at least left a note telling Luke than Lightsabers are great for blocking Force Lightning.

Nah, probably just used them for bug zappers, a la Family Guy. 😉

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You'd think Ben would have at least left a note telling Luke than Lightsabers are great for blocking Force Lightning.

Yes, remember kids, do not throw away your lightsaber just to prove your point. Imagine if Yoda did that in his battle with Sidious.

*Yoda throws away lightsaber after entering room*

"Jedi, I am!!!!1!1!!111"

*Zap, dead*

dumbest single thing from all the movies is that Yoda and KEnobi never bothered to mention force-lightning when they were sending Luke to destroy the Empire.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Exactly my point. We don't know. But whatever it was, it wasn't enough for him to be in the league of these guys...

He was stated to be studying the Force. I don't understand why partially pulling an X-wing out of a swamp doesn't seem like a big deal to you. Yoda was impressed at what he saw until Luke gave up. And then since he stayed with Yoda for a long time after that and got even more powerful.

Why would he leave a written down tutorial on how to build one? Why wouldn't have just learned that from Yoda, lost daddy's, then go back to Ben's hut and build it from what Yoda taught him? I'm really only arguing the point of what Ben left there for him.

Why did darth maul just stand there when Obi wan jumped over him? I don't know. BUT obi wanDID have plans on how to make a LS in his house on tattoine. I never said it made sense or that you had to like it but it is canon.

yeah, i read that. its in some book between ESB and ROTJ (courtship of princess leia, perhaps?)

I'm not certain, but yeah, he does find plans and builds one. its weird,there is absolutely no reason for written instructions on tatooine. Yoda teaching Luke to make one on dagobah makes MUCH more sense.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
Why did darth maul just stand there when Obi wan jumped over him? I don't know. BUT obi wanDID have plans on how to make a LS in his house on tattoine. I never said it made sense or that you had to like it but it is canon.
OK, find the source.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
He was stated to be studying the Force. I don't understand why partially pulling an X-wing out of a swamp doesn't seem like a big deal to you. Yoda was impressed at what he saw until Luke gave up. And then since he stayed with Yoda for a long time after that and got even more powerful.
The most important thing you said there was "he gave up." Plus, he barely moved it. Not impressive. I think Yoda was more of getting ready to be impressed.

Why do people always make up stuff like "force choke" and claim that you have to learn to use it? It's just TK, only you use TK to Force together someone's windpipe...Jedi typically don't use it because it's somewhat dark.

FL is another story though.