Sin vs The Elder God

Originally posted by Burning thought
This whole issue of the EG discussion of power is based on [b]someone not reading the post she was replying to, it was just a discussion and as AG put it, "food for thought" nobody ever stated its a definite ability the EG would use or could be capable of. We were using logic to base ideas on, not feats or fact. This forum has problem with logic.

I covered this statement and pretty much replicated it with the "or" I put at the beginning of my statement. [/B]

Not my fault that's how you took it BT.

Originally posted by Burning thought
hm, I approached it with a sophisticated mentality and maybe overcomplicated it.

I think this would be the answer.

Or something like that anyway 😉

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know, logically he probably could because he is the controller of he wheel of fate, death/life/rebirth etc but one could argue that Sin is not part of the LOK wheel of fate and so would not be susceptible. Another argument is ofc its only logical, EG has not just made someone keel over and die before afai remember.

So you took my quote above and came out with the idea that me and AG are inventing powers and stateing them as fact or something? 😬

Originally posted by Burning thought
So you took my quote above and came out with the idea that me and AG are inventing powers and stateing them as fact or something? 😬

Originally posted by Burning thought
hm, I approached it with a sophisticated mentality and maybe overcomplicated it.

Because i never said that.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
So you think he might be able to force someone to die, because he controls "the wheel of fate"

Sure.... that sounds completely unfounded.

To me atleast, he's boasting and it's obvious. So where this idea came from he could kill anyone i have no clue. Since it has absolutely no backing of any sort. I really struggle to see where you think it's going.

So this quote above was not you?
How about this one:

Originally posted by EvilAngel
So it's a power he has never displayed?

Nuff said imo.

Sounds like it's being made up to me

Originally posted by Burning thought
So this quote above was not you?
How about this one:

Careful there, BT. You may confuse him all over again.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So you took my quote above and came out with the idea that me and AG are inventing powers and stateing them as fact or something? 😬

Oh yes, i completed think you guys have no way to support the claim of such a power. And i think your taking wording too literally, yes.

But i never said what i underlined.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Careful there, BT. You may confuse him all over again.

I lol'd. Are you trying to provoke me ArtificialGlory?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
I lol'd. Are you trying to provoke me ArtificialGlory?

Not really, no. It did really seem to me that you were confused and jumping at shadows, claiming that things that don't have any actual feats are entirely made up.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Not really, no. It did really seem to me that you were confused and jumping at shadows, claiming that things that don't have any actual feats are entirely made up.

They are lol. Even now it's a theory based on word play which has no backing other than how a person might choose to interpret a phrase.

Is that not correct?

Originally posted by EvilAngel
They are lol. Even now it's a theory based on word play which has no backing other than how a person might choose to interpret a phrase.

Is that not correct?

So are you saying that anything, no matter how logical or how heavily implied, is made up if it doesn't have any actual feats? And for the last time, it's not all word play. It's known that the EG has powers over death and rebirth. BT could probably tell you more about that though.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Careful there, BT. You may confuse him all over again.

She is already confused 😛 , it seems she does not know the difference between claiming something as fact or attempting to base an argument on something and simply mildly discussing the possibility of it existing.

Some that does not have a feat does not have to entirely made up when we were simply discussing the possibilities of being the hub of a wheel of life/death/rebirth.

Other possibilities that have come up since I have been thinking on the EG for this argument is that he claims he is pretty much omnipresent at least in the bounds of Nosgoth and its timeline and his actions seem to justify this. So Sin may have to destroy not only the EG in his general area but the EG from all the possible time zones, a bit like Nozmordu.

Sin wins because BT voiced his opinion in this thread. How's that for some faulty logic? 😛

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
So are you saying that anything, no matter how logical or how heavily implied, is made up if it doesn't have any actual feats? And for the last time, it's not all word play. It's known that the EG has powers over death and rebirth. BT could probably tell you more about that though.

Well i was asking that. Is there any other evidence to support such a claim. You couldn't give me any, that's all. Personally if he had that power i find certain events in the game Illogical. But that's just me and my opinion.

I think it's how you read it as to how "heavily" implied it is. Personally it doesn't strike me as implied or suggested from that wording.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Well i was asking that. Is there any other evidence to support such a claim. You couldn't give me any, that's all. Personally if he had that power i find certain events in the game Illogical. But that's just me and my opinion.

I think it's how you read it as to how "heavily" implied it is. Personally it doesn't strike me as implied or suggested from that wording.

The EG cannot do it vampires, as far as I know. It is known, however, that EG indeed had power over Moebius's death and rebirth. It just leaves us with life now. So no, it's not "word play".

Originally posted by Burning thought
it seems she does not know the difference between claiming something as fact or attempting to base an argument on something and simply mildly discussing the [b]possibility of it existing[/B]

And the Jedi don't?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The EG cannot do it vampires, as far as I know. It is known, however, that EG indeed had power over Moebius's death and rebirth. It just leaves us with life now. So no, it's not "word play".

Perhaps i'm mistaken but those 2 he can control because he collects the souls or something like that right?

But if he's never shown that power over someone living. Hence if he can, it would be nice to know how this works and to what extend this control would reach.

But you can't tell me any of that. So all the things we would need to know about it to even consider it for use in a vs or even in theory we don't know, because the powers has never been shown. We haven't been hinted of it's use, nor has anything occuring in the games suggested the use of such a power.

So it's fine for one to think about something like that. Be we literally know NOTHING about it. And from my part we have something that doesn't even have a whisper of in game proof. I'm skeptical, so sue me

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Perhaps i'm mistaken but those 2 he can control because he collects the souls or something like that right?

But if he's never shown that power over someone living. Hence if he can, it would be nice to know how this works and to what extend this control would reach.

But you can't tell me any of that. So all the things we would need to know about it to even consider it for use in a vs or even in theory we don't know, because the powers has never been shown. We haven't been hinted of it's use, nor has anything occuring in the games suggested the use of such a power.

So it's fine for one to think about something like that. Be we literally know NOTHING about it. And from my part we have something that doesn't even have a whisper of in game proof. I'm skeptical, so sue me

Yeah, it's something like that. However, taking a soul from someone(that isn't a vampire) isn't a big deal in LoK, even if that someone is still alive.

Fair enough. It's all speculation and I would never try to pass it for a fact.

None of us have, nor did we even attempt to. But yeah, the EG has brought Moebius back from the dead and he takes the souls of the dead and spins them in the wheel of fate. The only entities he has not got the control over is vampires because they dont really die and he cant get their souls even if they do, they exist as wraiths afterwards, not just helpless souls.

Originally posted by Burning thought
None of us have, nor did we even attempt to.

It was suggested as a method to kill Sin. I was curious what it ment, and as i am not a kain fan i'm not always certain what it is you're talking about.

That's all.

Seriously, Sin hits harder than Kain could ever hope to, and Elder God cannot get through Sin's shields.

How is this hard to get?

Sin uses that thing is used to break buildings. /Thread.