Jaden Korr vs Darth Malak

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Fine.

Originally posted by mattatom
He trained Bandon who would of tooled Revan if his team mates hadn't flew the Ebon Hawk into him.

Wrong. How do you tool teh heart of teh force?

Revan has shown to be able to destroy entire worlds and has displayed reality warping powers.

Revan was stated by Galactus to be "beyond power" and all of the Celestials didn't dare lift a finger to him.

Revan has shown the ability to affect sub atomic particles and manipulate the laws of reality. His Force command surpasses that of anybody that has ever been seen.

The embodiment of the heart of the force, Revan was able to defeat the combined force of the entire cosmic powers, including the Living Tribunal and the abstracts. He was stated to be millions of times above the entire omniverse.

He was shown to be unaffected by a blast capable of shattering quadrillions of dimensions, and multiverses were destroyed when Revan was thinking too hard.

Revan would stomp.

Originally posted by mattatom
Photoshopped, Reported.

Not at all, it came straight from his best friend Supershadow, who obviously is a step higher than even G-Canon.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Not at all, it came straight from his best friend Supershadow, who obviously is a step higher than even G-Canon.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Wrong. How do you tool teh heart of teh force?

Revan has shown to be able to destroy entire worlds and has displayed reality warping powers.

Revan was stated by Galactus to be "beyond power" and all of the Celestials didn't dare lift a finger to him.

Revan has shown the ability to affect sub atomic particles and manipulate the laws of reality. His Force command surpasses that of anybody that has ever been seen.

The embodiment of the heart of the force, Revan was able to defeat the combined force of the entire cosmic powers, including the Living Tribunal and the abstracts. He was stated to be millions of times above the entire omniverse.

He was shown to be unaffected by a blast capable of shattering quadrillions of dimensions, and multiverses were destroyed when Revan was thinking too hard.

Revan would stomp.

Originally posted by mattatom
Pics or it didn't happen.

How to insert images? Darn! I just found one, but don't know how to insert!

Until that however, here is the text:

Within an instant, Revan transformed into his true form. A form beyond comprehension. A form billions
of times beyond all of existense, past, presence, future. He was Revan, the heart of the Force.

And powerful he was. None could stop his transformation. Not all of the universe,
not even the Tribunal, firing a blast that eradicated quadrillions of dimensions. He was Revan, and he was supreme.

Bandon was marveled at this, and he sunk, for he knew that this was a foe
war beyond the sith. Far beyond him.

Within an instant, Revan transformed into his true form. A form beyond comprehension. A form billions
of times beyond all of existense, past, presence, future. He was Revan, the heart of the Force.

In the next panel of the comic, Revan battles and finally defeats the combined force of TOAA and the Presence.

BTW, this is light side Revan. DS Revan is NOT the heart of the force, and does not contain that much power.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Darn! I just found one, but don't know how to insert!

What she said.

Originally posted by Allankles
Stasis is a gameplay mechanic, there's no power like force stasis or stun or whatever makes a Jedi completely dazed without them falling over.

It was shown in a cutscene; it has absolutely zilch to do with gameplay, Allankles. Try knowing what you're talking about next time.

just realized: I'm pretty certain Jaden is a Knight, not a master in LOTF, so did he get demoted? I don't remember him ever becoming a master in the games for that matter though.

Originally posted by Advent
It was shown in a cutscene; it has absolutely zilch to do with gameplay, Allankles. Try knowing what you're talking about next time.

Yes I was referring to the confrontation he had with the Revan because that was the only time he's used force stun (or whatever that was supposed to be).

My point was that the entire scene used gameplay animation. It was cartoonish, limited and inaccurate that's why it shouldn't be canon. In fact it was presented within gameplay - as you're carrying out dialogue choices with the stunned animation in the background.

The only 2 other powers he showed were choke and sith lightning, those were clearly out of gameplay.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yes I was referring to the confrontation he had with the Revan because that was the only time he's used force stun (or whatever that was supposed to be).

My point was that the entire scene used gameplay animation. It was cartoonish, limited and inaccurate that's why it shouldn't be canon. In fact it was presented within gameplay - as you're carrying out dialogue choices with the stunned animation in the background.

The only 2 other powers he showed were choke and sith lightning, those were clearly out of gameplay.

Nobody cares what you think should and should not be used as part of canon. Malak canonically has the power of stasis, as it is a power known to both the jedi and sith pre up until the Battle of Ruusan.

Sooo when is SW legend going to debate here?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Nobody cares what you think should and should not be used as part of canon. Malak [b]canonically has the power of stasis, as it is a power known to both the jedi and sith pre up until the Battle of Ruusan. [/B]

You don't know what you're talking about. Force stun as as presented in Kotor is inaccurate, as it is a feature of the bioware engine,and it had plenty of limitations.

There's no such thing as a force power that stuns a Jedi and lives him standing with his head lolling around like a bobblehead, while still being able to carry out a proper conversation.

It's not what about what I like or don't like, it's about accuracy. There's nothing to debate here.

Originally posted by Allankles
You don't know what you're talking about clearly. Force stun as as presented in Kotor is inaccurate and unrealistic. There's nothing to debate here.

And as usual, you're embarrassing yourself posting absolute nonsense. Advent told you to stfu, I'm telling you to stfu. You don't ever make any sense, nor do you present anything valuable to a debate. Nobody cares what you think is "inaccurate or unrealistic." It's in a cut scene, it's supported by Darth Malak canonically knowing force stun/stasis. Ergo, you lose...Again

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
And as usual, you're embarrassing yourself posting absolute nonsense. Advent told you to stfu, I'm telling you to stfu. You don't ever make any sense, nor do you present anything valuable to a debate. Nobody cares what you think is "inaccurate or unrealistic." It's in a cut scene, it's supported by Darth Malak canonically knowing force stun/stasis. Ergo, you lose...[b]Again [/B]

I never embarrass myself. Moving on, I don't see what is there to debate here? I'm telling you that force stun does not exist as it is presented in Kotor.

I'm talking about presentation which is all that counts here when accessing Malak's combat prowess. I've read Malak's bio in Jedi Sith and the Kotor campaign guide, listing what powers he has there is irrelevant as we have no evidence of their potency in combat.

My point is you can't seriously be using the most inaccurate gameplay determined animation to argue the supposed potency of Malak's force powers, you can't be serious.

Originally posted by Allankles
I never embarrass myself. Moving on, I don't see what is there to debate here? I'm telling you that force stun does not exist as it is presented in Kotor.

I'm talking about presentation which is all that counts here when accessing Malak's combat prowess. I've read Malak's bio in Jedi Sith and the Kotor campaign guide, listing what powers he has there is irrelevant as we have no evidence of their potency in combat.

My point is you can't seriously be using the most inaccurate gameplay determined animation to argue the supposed potency of Malak's force powers, you can't be serious. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You've never won a debate, and you continue posting long after your argument has been defeated. Ergo, you embarrass yourself. And I'm telling you it DOES exist, regardless of how it is portrayed. I'm surprised you're not arguing that the planet Korriban doesn't exist because it's portrayed differently in every source.

Argh! Presentation is everything. There are plenty ways someone can be "stunned" e.g. TK, standing around with your head lolling like a bobble head is not one of them.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Except he was able to "stun" a more powerful being(Revan), and his companion simultaneously while preparing to fight Bastila.

Again, whatever stunning he did, it was presented as inaccurately as possible. To the point where we can't determine the effects of such a technique, because the presentation was basically cartoonish.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
I'm not arguing the potency of his powers. Quit backpeddling. I'm arguing that the power DOES exist regardless of your opinion.

Potency is the only thing that matters here, which is where I started. The inaccurate presentation prevents a proper determination of how such a technique would affect an opponent. Take away that cartoony presentation and where does that leave force stun?

Originally posted by Allankles
Argh! Presentation is everything. There are plenty ways someone can be "stunned" e.g. TK, standing around with your head lolling like a bobble head is not one of them.

Again, whatever stunning he did, it was presented as inaccurately as possible. To the point where we can't determine the effects of such a technique, because the presentation was basically cartoonish.

Potency is the only thing that matters here, which is where I started. The inaccurate presentation prevents a proper determination of how such a technique would affect an opponent. Take away that cartoony presentation and where does that leave force stun? [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
This is just sad. Take away A, B, and C, and blah blah blah. Who cares about the representation. It's affects were obvious. It froze or "stunned" two out of the three combatants simultaneously. One of these combatants is more powerful than Malak.

It matters because we don't know its effects. If I write a story and I say character x got stunned by character b and I want you to assume it was impressive feat you'll want to know how I was "stunned".

Getting "stunnned" doesn't mean becoming a talking bobble head, so we can't even begin to determine what force stun would amount to in combat.

I could stun you with a TK attack just like I could stun you with sith lightning, these can accomplish the same thing without going the head lolling route in Malak's case. I don't see how you can be arguing this.

Originally posted by Allankles
It matters because we don't know its effects. If I write a story and I say character x got stunned by character b and I want you to assume it was impressive feat you'll want to know how I was "stunned".

Getting "stunnned" doesn't mean becoming a talking bobble head, so we can't even begin to determine what force stun would amount to in combat.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Yes, we do. We saw it in KOTOR, and we saw it in the Bane novels. If the one who initiates the technique is more powerful than his opponent, then he can freeze the opponent for an X amount of time. If the reverse is true, it lasts for maybe a second, as shown by Bane.

Revan was hit by force stun, not force stasis.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It means getting frozen. I don't see how YOU could be arguing this.

Malak used force stun, not force stasis. It should be called force nauseate, because that was the extent of its effects in kotor 1 and 2.