Jaden Korr vs Darth Malak

Originally posted by Allankles
Revan was hit by force stun, not force stasis.

Malak used force stun, not force stasis. It should be called force nauseate, because that was the extent of its effects in kotor 1 and 2. [/B]

Not really, they're separate powers in Kotor and seem to have different effects based on presentation (one nauseates, the other seems to cause rigor mortis like effects).

Originally posted by Allankles
Not really, they're separate powers in Kotor and seem to have different effects based on presentation (one nauseates, the other seems to cause rigor mortis like effects).

Actually they're upgrades in KOTOR and they don't seem to be different at all.

Going by cutscenes and game play, Jaden is far more powerful. Plus if he turns darkside, the guy is even more beastly.

Plus, Darth Malak's real name is Alek Squinquargesimus, so he loses because of the dumb a** name clause passed by the Senate in A.D. 501

Allankles, we do know the effects of Force Stasis; it freezes the victim in place with a visible force field. It's outright visually demonstrated in KotOR and KotOR 2, both in cutscenes. According to the canon policy, cutscenes are canon. Contrary to what you've been suggesting, Force Stasis is its own power; it's not stunned as in after a Force Lightning attack. I'm not even sure your "talking bobblehead" argument holds any water either; do we ever see this happening on any occasion? Not to mention, you're associating dialogue choices that -in no way- alter the actions shown the cutscene, and are therefore irrelevant.

And yes, Allankles -- Beefy is right. Force Stasis is essentially Force Stun that allows up to three targets to be affected. The part about Stasis being a separate power/upgrade would be the game mechanic.

Originally posted by truejedi
just realized: I'm pretty certain Jaden is a Knight, not a master in LOTF, so did he get demoted? I don't remember him ever becoming a master in the games for that matter though.

At the End of the game Jedi Academy when Rosh is laying down on the medical table Luke and Kyle Katarn promote Jaden Korr to Jedi Master.

really? I'm actually playing that through again right now out of nostalgia, so in a day or two, i should see that. So now the question, how the heck did he get demoted? How does a master get de-mastered?

I thought they proclaimed him a true Jedi Knight, because he's a knight in the game, and all his subsequent book appearances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDBUpUtc52w

7:50

Yeah, they say he will be a valuable member of the Jedi Order, but they never call him a master.

He was easily Master level, and Master experience, but all the Force power in the universe won't make you a Master. Luke has to decide that you're ready.

Originally posted by KingD19
He was easily Master level, and Master experience, but all the Force power in the universe won't make you a Master. Luke has to decide that you're ready.

What the hell are you blabbing about? What exactly made Rosh a "master" in anything?

What the hell are you blabbing on about??? I was talking about Jaden. DURR!!!! 😱

What the hell are you blabbing about? What exactly made Jaden a "master" in anything?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
What the hell are you blabbing about? What exactly made Rosh a "master" in anything?

And Jaden defeated the spirit of one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, resisted the oh so tempting call of the Dark Side, defeated opponents who were supposed to be many times stronger than him, Tavion included, and he mastered the Force, all of his in game Force powers are considered canon, so ya know, stuff like 400x Force Speed and all that. Plus he was a master swordsman, yadda yadda.

Originally posted by KingD19
And Jaden defeated the spirit of one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, resisted the oh so tempting call of the Dark Side, defeated opponents who were supposed to be many times stronger than him, Tavion included, and he mastered the Force, all of his in game Force powers are considered canon, so ya know, stuff like 400x Force Speed and all that. Plus he was a master swordsman, yadda yadda. [/B]

Yes, a spirit inside an inferior body with unknown powers and abilities. A spirit who has been dormant for 5,000 years.

What the hell is "mastered the force"?
What does resisting the dark side have to do with being a master?
Prove the opponents were supposed to be many times stronger than him.
Prove he was a master swordsman.
Prove all of those powers in the game are canon(you can't).

So far you have absolutely dick for your "argument".

It doesn't matter how long a spirit is dormant, that doesn't make it any less dangerous.

He mastered all of his core abilities, and because Katarn was his Master, he learned both light and dark side powers as well. Balance in the Force, Katarn made a reference if you mastered all your powers in the game.

Most padawans/knights would fall if someone they considered to be their friend, betrayed and tried to kill them. It takes a high level of wisdom, etc.. to not do that.

He was a jedi fighting Acolytes infused with pure dark side energy directly from the Staff of Ragnos. And almost always he was fighting more than one at a time.

He was a master of the middle stance(New Age)

And if you want prove, how bout you go read the New Essential Chronology Reference Book???

I read it, and I know what I'm saying, you have dick for your argument.

Originally posted by KingD19
It doesn't matter how long a spirit is dormant, that doesn't make it any less dangerous.

He mastered all of his core abilities, and because Katarn was his Master, he learned both light and dark side powers as well. Balance in the Force, Katarn made a reference if you mastered all your powers in the game.

Most padawans/knights would fall if someone they considered to be their friend, betrayed and tried to kill them. It takes a high level of wisdom, etc.. to not do that.

He was a jedi fighting Acolytes infused with pure dark side energy directly from the Staff of Ragnos. And almost always he was fighting more than one at a time.

He was a master of the middle stance(New Age)

And if you want prove, how bout you go read the New Essential Chronology Reference Book???

I read it, and I know what I'm saying, you have dick for your argument. [/B]

Right..

All right so he was a Jedi Knight...but still it does not make him any less skilled.

these things are not true KingD19. You can't count any of his game abilities that you could choose to use or not as mastered.

Force Speed simply means a Jedi moving faster than he could before, and gives you no gauge of how fast he was moving, so in the respect that the force enhances his speed, that makes Jaden no better than EVERY OTHER jedi.

Plus, you said he mastered his core abilities. Prove that. For instance, if you switch characters, (via cheat code of course) you find that the models for Katarn, Luke, Desann, and I believe Tavion all have a base 200 level of force use. (While Jaden constantly has 100) So even in those core abilities, his ability to continue those attacks is HALF those of his enemies.

Finally:

Spirit of Ragnos==Ragnos is silly. Not even worth bringing up really.