Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm not the only one who said that. WW can't hang with the big boys. It'z za way it iz.
Really? People who don't even like WW saying she'd be able to take 4/10 doesn't sound to me like she "can't hang with the big boys." I absolutely disagree with just about every opinion you have regarding the character. That is why I knew what you would say.
Originally posted by SasaraixxShe can pull a fluke here or there. These guys would manhandle her physically. Superman crushed her once and easily broke her wrist like it was nothing. She can compete due to her skill level, but she weakens the team and they lose cuz of it.
Really? People who don't even like WW saying she'd be able to take 4/10 doesn't sound to me like she "can't hang with the big boys." I absolutely disagree with just about every opinion you have regarding the character. That is why I knew what you would say.
Don't be upset she isn't an elite top tier. Dc makes the comics not me.
I would take WW at her best over any any member on both teams.
At her best she is fast enough to block or avoid any of their strikes, fast enough to lasso them, and certainly fast enough to land a blow (forming a koing combo). She simply counteracts for the easy win.
She also has the Aegis and tiara in case things get hairy.
By the way I can nearly crush my own wrists, or someone else's who have my same strength. Superman crushing her wrists doesn't prove his is stronger (although he is).
Originally posted by h1a8We don't argue based on powerset alone. She is weaker than all of these characters if she fights in character. Superman has always been portrayed as more formidable than she is. You tend to ignore comics and try to debate based on feats alone. Horrible way to debate.
I would take WW [b]at her best over any any member on both teams.At her best she is fast enough to block or avoid any of their strikes, fast enough to lasso them, and certainly fast enough to land a blow (forming a koing combo). She simply counteracts for the easy win.
She also has the Aegis and tiara in case things get hairy.By the way I can nearly crush my own wrists, or someone else's who have my same strength. Superman crushing her wrists doesn't prove his is stronger (although he is). [/B]
Easily crushing her wrist does prove he is stronger.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't argue based on powerset alone. She is weaker than all of these characters if she fights in character. Superman has always been portrayed as more formidable than she is. You tend to ignore comics and try to debate based on feats alone. Horrible way to debate.Easily crushing her wrist does prove he is stronger.
I'm not arguing power sets but basing what I said on what actually occurred in comics. WW has blocked, ducked, lassoed, and countered super fast beings like Superman, flash, multiple beams of light, etc. She has also used the Aegis and tiara before when it was a great need.
Excellent way to debate I would say.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't argue based on powerset alone. She is weaker than all of these characters if she fights in character. Superman has always been portrayed as more formidable than she is. You tend to ignore comics and try to debate based on feats alone. Horrible way to debate.Easily crushing her wrist does prove he is stronger.
Quan, I am not even going to bother. We've already established that you are incapable of adequately interpreting the Sacrifice fight. Why you keep using it is beyond me. You pick and choose only the parts you think will help you and ignore the rest of it. You've also failed to read the stipulations in this fight. Why post?
And I find it hard to believe that you would challenge H1a8 on debating skills. She has the feats to put her with those guys AND the comics back that up. How many times have you heard that WW is second only to Supes. Her strength has been compared to CM. She's been written as being as fast or faster than guys in this group.
Going beyond whether or not you think this Team wins or not you cannot keep making statements like this when you never provide anything to back them up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
She can pull a fluke here or there. These guys would manhandle her physically. Superman crushed her once and easily broke her wrist like it was nothing. She can compete due to her skill level, but she weakens the team and they lose cuz of it.Don't be upset she isn't an elite top tier. Dc makes the comics not me.
Thankfully you don't write for DC. I know plenty of DC writers who (thankfully) disagree with you.
A fluke here or there? Manhandle? Considering that she's fought them before and not been manhandled, your statement does not hold water.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not arguing power sets but basing what I said on what actually occurred in comics. WW has blocked, ducked, lassoed, and countered super fast beings like Superman, flash, multiple beams of light, etc. She has also used the Aegis and tiara before when it was a great need.Excellent way to debate I would say.
You won't make much headway with him. Just walk away! haha 😆
He completely ignores everything else that Diana brings to the table. In all honesty, I don't think he knows much about the character.
Anyway, I do agree that Diana written at her best would be a serious, serious threat. I wouldn't put her ahead of Thor but luckily he's on her team 😉 I think Clark would win more often than not in a brawl, but she has other options to end the fight. I think she could take the shazams.
Originally posted by h1a8No, because you flat out ignore Superman's obvious physical advantages against WW. Like I said her skill level doesn't save her against any of these guys all out save a few fluke victories.
I'm not arguing power sets but basing what I said on what actually occurred in comics. WW has blocked, ducked, lassoed, and countered super fast beings like Superman, flash, multiple beams of light, etc. She has also used the Aegis and tiara before when it was a great need.Excellent way to debate I would say.
Originally posted by SasaraixxSuperman has beaten her outside that fight. She avoided an all out superman because she couldn't hope to hang with him.
Quan, I am not even going to bother. We've already established that you are incapable of adequately interpreting the Sacrifice fight. Why you keep using it is beyond me. You pick and choose only the parts you think will help you and ignore the rest of it. You've also failed to read the stipulations in this fight. Why post?And I find it hard to believe that you would challenge H1a8 on debating skills. She has the feats to put her with those guys AND the comics back that up. How many times have you heard that WW is second only to Supes. Her strength has been compared to CM. She's been written as being as fast or faster than guys in this group.
Going beyond whether or not you think this Team wins or not you cannot keep making statements like this when you never provide anything to back them up.
Superman has never gotten the better of Orion so saying she is only second to Supes is well, ignorant. captain marvel is also powerful enough to throw down with supes while WW is not. She needs to rely on skill and skill alone. Black Adam would break her face very quickly as he tends to try to crush his opponents and Thor is just as skilled as WW if not more and is stronger and his power levels are well above anyone else's in this thread.
h1 ignores the comics and goes by feats alone. That's cbr debating.