the ear shot was dumb. he uses his super hearing, that is capable of hearing shit in SPACE no less, and she manages to sneak up on him.
diana is capable of hanging with the big boys no doubt, but i don't see her beating the likes of clark, billy or adam for a majority without having some extra gear at her disposal...
Originally posted by -Pr-
the ear shot was dumb. he uses his super hearing, that is capable of hearing shit in SPACE no less, and she manages to sneak up on him.diana is capable of hanging with the big boys no doubt, but i don't see her beating the likes of clark, billy or adam for a majority without having some extra gear at her disposal...
I respect that opinion and we can of course debate it. I just can't take the whole "out of her league and will get manhandled" crap.
I don't think she can take a majority from a bloodlusted Clark, but against the other two I'm not so sure.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I respect that opinion and we can of course debate it. I just can't take the whole "out of her league and will get manhandled" crap.I don't think she can take a majority from a bloodlusted Clark, but against the other two I'm not so sure.
she's not out of her league, imo. at the very least, she's a small notch below in general. when it comes down to individual stats i'm sure there are debatable points, but in general, she'll give any of the top guys a fight...
i just see adam and billy as being closer to clark's level than they are to hers. again, though, if they do win, it's not going to be easy, at least imo.
Originally posted by Prep-ManNear but not at Thor level. Thor going all out would rock him.
I find Orion to be about Thor level, overall.
Originally posted by h1a8Most heroes hold back when squaring off against each other. That's hardly indicative of anything. Superman has bested WW without wanting to murder her.
They were only shown to be peers to a holding back Superman. That's right Superman almost always holds back. So for practical purposes they are peers with Superman. But not potentially. The fact that she has enough strength to lift the entire Earth and Thor only a very small fraction of it. What that got to do with what I said? If you didn't understand then just say so. But don't dimiss it in ignorance. First Superman is not a lot stronger than Diana, a non holding back Superman is.My point is that Diana got many hits on Superman even when he was aware (fair hits). One of these could be easily traded for the ear bell shot. Or at least combo it from an initial hit. But to be honest I only see Superman beating Diana if he uses his freeze breath. This would slow diana down for him to combo her to ko. Maybe her Aegis could protect her if she gets it up in time. It would be a good fight though. Not a cakewalk for Superman by a long shot. With that said, she is superior to the shazams in every way.
When has she lifted the entire earth alone? When has Thor failed to lift the entire earth?
Superman is stronger, their fights show it, and it's been stated how many times? really? WW can hang with the big boys but loses a solid majority to each character in this thread making her the weak link just like I said.
When has superman ever needed to beat her by using his freezebreath? It's like you just make things up all the time and try to get by that way.
Originally posted by h1a8Which he doesn't use all that often. If this is powerset then Thor godblasts from the word go.
I disagree. Superman would take a large majority against Thor with ease (mainly because of the speed advantage).
Originally posted by quanchi112Superman is renowned and proven to hold back. The shazams are not, especially BA. WW counters their first attack with one of her own then combos them to ko. If Superman's first attack is a freeze breath then he wins.
Most heroes hold back when squaring off against each other. That's hardly indicative of anything. Superman has bested WW without wanting to murder her.
This is from the Earth towing feat. I corrected calculated and posted that the force she was exerting was equivalent to the weight of the Earth. It's an old post, ill try to find it or repost it. When Thor lifted the cat that was suppose to actually be the Midgar Serpent he only managed to get one of the four legs of the cat off the ground. So I take it he lifted at most 1/4 of the Serpent's weight. Also if who's stronger is based off quantifiable feats then WW is a lot stronger.When has she lifted the entire earth alone? When has Thor failed to lift the entire earth?
I clearly agree that Superman is stronger but strength doesn't mean anything when two's strength are in each other's vicinity. WW wins a major majority against all except Superman.Superman is stronger, their fights show it, and it's been stated how many times? really? WW can hang with the big boys but loses a solid majority to each character in this thread making her the weak link just like I said.
He froze her in Sacrifice. That is a very good tactic and his only chance of beating her.When has superman ever needed to beat her by using his freezebreath? It's like you just make things up all the time and try to get by that way.
If he will fails to use it often then WW wins a solid majority from Superman. I can live with that.Which he doesn't use all that often. If this is powerset then Thor godblasts from the word go.
Originally posted by h1a8Yes, and even when he has held back he can still beat WW. Captain Marvel isn't out to kill heroes either. BA is the you worry about. Any of these characters take WW for a solid majority based on their durability and strength. WW pulls a fluke here or there with her lasso. Superman don't need no stinking freezebreath to win here.
Superman is renowned and proven to hold back. The shazams are not, especially BA. WW counters their first attack with one of her own then combos them to ko. If Superman's first attack is a freeze breath then he wins. This is from the Earth towing feat. I corrected calculated and posted that the force she was exerting was equivalent to the weight of the Earth. It's an old post, ill try to find it or repost it. When Thor lifted the cat that was suppose to actually be the Midgar Serpent he only managed to get one of the four legs of the cat off the ground. So I take it he lifted at most 1/4 of the Serpent's weight. Also if who's stronger is based off quantifiable feats then WW is a lot stronger. I clearly agree that Superman is stronger but strength doesn't mean anything when two's strength are in each other's vicinity. WW wins a major majority against all except Superman. He froze her in Sacrifice. That is a very good tactic and his only chance of beating her. If he will fails to use it often then WW wins a solid majority from Superman. I can live with that.
I figured it was something you worked up on your home calculator spinning it for WW. Thor's stronger.
It seems it does. Superman hasn't easily snapped BA's wrists or Captain Marvel's. They are peers to him while WW is slightly below their class.
This isn't the only way he beats her. Come on, man.
If you want to use powersets then he does it every single time.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Superman would take a large majority against Thor with ease (mainly because of the speed advantage).
No he wouldnt and Thor would land just as many hits against supes than the other way around. Thor is fast enough to tag superman and thor hits would carry more of an impact than what superman could dish out. Lets not even forget the things that Thor could do to supes whereas supes output of power would be brushed off by thor.
The only thing that even gives supes a chance against thor is his speed and even thats not enough.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the ear shot was dumb. he uses his super hearing, that is capable of hearing shit in SPACE no less, and she manages to sneak up on him.diana is capable of hanging with the big boys no doubt, but i don't see her beating the likes of clark, billy or adam for a majority without having some extra gear at her disposal...
What was wrong with it? Diana has been trained to be one of the best warriors on the planet, I'm pretty sure she could make herself silent.
Originally posted by carver9
What was wrong with it? Diana has been trained to be one of the best warriors on the planet, I'm pretty sure she could make herself silent.
his super hearing can hear heartbeats. she does have a heartbeat doesn't she? he can hear through the vacuum of space, which is supposed to impossible.
nobody is sneaking up on him unless they can make their entire body silent and eliminate any changes they make to the surrounding air.
Originally posted by carver9
No he wouldnt and Thor would land just as many hits against supes than the other way around. Thor is fast enough to tag superman and thor hits would carry more of an impact than what superman could dish out. Lets not even forget the things that Thor could do to supes whereas supes output of power would be brushed off by thor.The only thing that even gives supes a chance against thor is his speed and even thats not enough.
I'm a firm believer in the combo to ko principle which is based on who hits first. That is why I favor the faster guys. Now if Thor was faster or just as fast as then I would be on his balls more than any of you here (guaranteed fact). Superman would be a piece of sh!t to me.
Notice, I rarely argue in any threads where speed is not a factor. Speed is one the reasons why I love Spider-man so much. I'm learning to not like speed that much. Rulk is now my favorite character and he isn't super uber fast.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Greater magic resistance than Thor? I think not.
Sorry, very late reply. I meant that THOR has proven magic resistance (not the Marvels), giving him an edge against the Marvels. 😛 I mean I stated siphoning of powers, etc. Thor can do that, the Marvels can't.
Also, I mistyped. I meant T1 has the versatility edge but T2 gets the 6/10 wins. ^_^
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Sorry, very late reply. I meant that THOR has proven magic resistance (not the Marvels), giving him an edge against the Marvels. 😛 I mean I stated siphoning of powers, etc. Thor can do that, the Marvels can't.Also, I mistyped. I meant T1 has the versatility edge but T2 gets the 6/10 wins. ^_^
I'm not too sure who has more resistance to magic, but Billy has withstood an attack from a Thunderbolt and Adam has flown right through Spectre. Spectre is more divine, but a Thunderbolt is high end magic/science.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm a firm believer in the combo to ko principle which is based on who hits first. That is why I favor the faster guys. Now if Thor was faster or just as fast as then I would be on his balls more than any of you here (guaranteed fact). Superman would be a piece of sh!t to me.Notice, I rarely argue in any threads where speed is not a factor. Speed is one the reasons why I love Spider-man so much. I'm learning to not like speed that much. Rulk is now my favorite character and he isn't super uber fast.
I guess you didnt get my post, I admit that supes is faster but thor will get some licks. Superman would have to be hitting Thor with some AMAZING a** to ko him in a way that you're putting it because thor has the best damage soak in this battle.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess you didnt get my post, I admit that supes is faster but thor will get some licks. Superman would have to be hitting Thor with some AMAZING a** to ko him in a way that you're putting it because thor has the best damage soak in this battle.
The combo to ko principle is misunderstand by you. Read over it again to gain the full understanding.