Thor would be better off fighting CM or BA as he has proven Magic resistance as well as potentially the ability to siphon off or cut them off from their powers like what he did to Jugs or simply BFR one of them. Orion can stall BA til Thor takes down CM. WW is better off fighting Supes defensively (she's been shown to be able to keep up with him) until Thor can beat CM.
I dunno, I think T2 has the edge in versatility here. Tho, admittedly, T2 shud still take the slight majority 6/10.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210I think team 1 has the versatility edge, personally. Team 2 has no weak links. They win a solid majority.
Thor would be better off fighting CM or BA as he has proven Magic resistance as well as potentially the ability to siphon off or cut them off from their powers like what he did to Jugs or simply BFR one of them. Orion can stall BA til Thor takes down CM. WW is better off fighting Supes defensively (she's been shown to be able to keep up with him) until Thor can beat CM.I dunno, I think T2 has the edge in versatility here. Tho, admittedly, T2 shud still take the slight majority 6/10.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Thor would be better off fighting CM or BA as he has proven Magic resistance as well as potentially the ability to siphon off or cut them off from their powers like what he did to Jugs or simply BFR one of them. Orion can stall BA til Thor takes down CM. WW is better off fighting Supes defensively (she's been shown to be able to keep up with him) until Thor can beat CM.I dunno, I think T2 has the edge in versatility here. Tho, admittedly, T2 shud still take the slight majority 6/10.
Greater magic resistance than Thor? I think not.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, because you flat out ignore Superman's obvious physical advantages against WW. Like I said her skill level doesn't save her against any of these guys all out save a few fluke victories. Superman has beaten her outside that fight. She avoided an all out superman because she couldn't hope to hang with him.Superman has never gotten the better of Orion so saying she is only second to Supes is well, ignorant. captain marvel is also powerful enough to throw down with supes while WW is not. She needs to rely on skill and skill alone. Black Adam would break her face very quickly as he tends to try to crush his opponents and Thor is just as skilled as WW if not more and is stronger and his power levels are well above anyone else's in this thread.
h1 ignores the comics and goes by feats alone. That's cbr debating.
No, I don't. You however know absolutely nothing about the character of WW. You keep arguing that she has to be physically superior to Superman to win, and she doesn't. I can't believe I have to explain this to you yet AGAIN. I have never once, ever, anywhere claimed that Superman was not stronger, more durable and faster than Wonder Woman. What I do believe is that his advantages are not so great that he places himself in another league. Nothing in their recent showings would allow you possibly think otherwise.
I will not disuss tha fight with you anymore. You ignore all of the damage Clark took in that fight and focus on one panel in that whole sequence. I don't know what language I have to write in. She didn't want to kill him!! It was kill him or get to Lord. Those are the choices the writer gave her. Hmmm, wonder what anyone would do?
Well, you just called Batman ignorant. I'm not the one who said that the only force on Earth who could stop her was Superman. It's not me who has compared her strength to Captain Marvel. That was Superman. It's not me who said that she was faster than Superman, that came from her own mouth. It's not me who called her the greatest warrior in the DCU. That was DC itself. And none of this is said to support the claim that she's superior to these guys. It is proffered to refute the (silly) claim that she will be manhandled by any of these guys. She is capable of taking more than a couple "fluke" wins. I won't even ask you how they are "fluke" as I already have a headache.
She can stalemate anyone on Team 2 in a normal battle and here if she is bloodlusted, she can use her Tiara for the kill. SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO KO THEM. SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO KO THEM. And I'm not conceding that she couldn't do that either. She still has her lasso to use as well. She has multiple defensive options thanks to her skill, innate durability, resistance to magic AND her bracers. All of this you overlook. Every time. You make ridiculous claims and back them up with nothing. I can't take it anymore. I think you will have the honor of being the first person on my ignore list. 💃
As for my views on the battle at hand, I see it as a split but if 1 team has to win, I'd give Team 1 the slight majority 6/10. I don't see Thor losing any of his match-ups. I don't see his teammates falling before he's finished his fights.
Originally posted by SasaraixxThat's why I have always said she has to rely on Her SKILL level to win. She can win here and there it just isn't likely.
No, I don't. You however know absolutely nothing about the character of WW. You keep arguing that she has to be physically superior to Superman to win, and she doesn't. I can't believe I have to explain this to you yet AGAIN. I have never once, ever, anywhere claimed that Superman was not stronger, more durable and faster than Wonder Woman. What I do believe is that his advantages are not so great that he places himself in another league. Nothing in their recent showings would allow you possibly think otherwise.I will not disuss tha fight with you anymore. You ignore all of the damage Clark took in that fight and focus on one panel in that whole sequence. I don't know what language I have to write in. She didn't want to kill him!! It was kill him or get to Lord. Those are the choices the writer gave her. Hmmm, wonder what anyone would do?
Well, you just called Batman ignorant. I'm not the one who said that the only force on Earth who could stop her was Superman. It's not me who has compared her strength to Captain Marvel. That was Superman. It's not me who said that she was faster than Superman, that came from her own mouth. It's not me who called her the greatest warrior in the DCU. That was DC itself. And none of this is said to support the claim that she's superior to these guys. It is proffered to refute the (silly) claim that she will be manhandled by any of these guys. She is capable of taking more than a couple "fluke" wins. I won't even ask you how they are "fluke" as I already have a headache.
She can stalemate anyone on Team 2 in a normal battle and here if she is bloodlusted, she can use her Tiara for the kill. SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO KO THEM. SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO KO THEM. And I'm not conceding that she couldn't do that either. She still has her lasso to use as well. She has multiple defensive options thanks to her skill, innate durability, resistance to magic AND her bracers. All of this you overlook. Every time. You make ridiculous claims and back them up with nothing. I can't take it anymore. I think you will have the honor of being the first person on my ignore list. 💃
As for my views on the battle at hand, I see it as a split but if 1 team has to win, I'd give Team 1 the slight majority 6/10. I don't see Thor losing any of his match-ups. I don't see his teammates falling before he's finished his fights.
The point was she had to evade him though. She wasn't good enough to just ko him. She used her skills against his blind rage. She also used birds to buy time to get to Lord. It's pretty obvious that an extremely pissed off Superman can easily snap her wrist that it's nowhere near as close as you want it to be. She can win a few flukes that's it against the man of steel.
It's a silly statement. Are you honestly telling me that statement applies to Captain Marvel, Hal Jordan, Black Adam, Martian Manhunter, the Flash etc. ? Honestly, it doesn't. It's a statement that doesn't apply to everyone on the planet. You seem to vastly overrate WW to rabid levels.
If they are all bloodlusted she is toast. They are stronger, around as fast if not faster, and a lot stronger more powerful.
WW can beat anyone on here but loses a solid majority to all parties involved here hence she is the weakest link, goodbye.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's why I have always said she has to rely on Her SKILL level to win. She can win here and there it just isn't likely.The point was she had to evade him though. She wasn't good enough to just ko him. She used her skills against his blind rage. She also used birds to buy time to get to Lord. It's pretty obvious that an extremely pissed off Superman can easily snap her wrist that it's nowhere near as close as you want it to be. She can win a few flukes that's it against the man of steel.
It's a silly statement. Are you honestly telling me that statement applies to Captain Marvel, Hal Jordan, Black Adam, Martian Manhunter, the Flash etc. ? Honestly, it doesn't. It's a statement that doesn't apply to everyone on the planet. You seem to vastly overrate WW to rabid levels.
If they are all bloodlusted she is toast. They are stronger, around as fast if not faster, and a lot stronger more powerful.
WW can beat anyone on here but loses a solid majority to all parties involved here hence she is the weakest link, goodbye.
Imo, WW is at least stronger than everyone on both teams with the exception of Superman. And Superman is not that much stronger than her. Rhino is many many times stronger than Captain America yet Cap will Beat Rhino more times than not. If WW has martial art skills greater than any Earthly form, enough strength and speed to hurt, enough durability to take many blows, then of course she wins.
Yes WW needs her skills to win otherwise she is toast (I agree). But know that Superman was swinging at her with all his might at full speed yet she was fast enough to duck and block his attacks. She even hit him with a stunning hit to the ears that could have ended the fight there. But no she didn't want to kill or hurt him so she let up. Diana could beat anyone on both teams with these stunning type blows. All it takes is one, and then she finishes them with an amazong (amazing) combo.
Letting her use the tiara and lasso is spite.
Being somewhat physically superior doesn't prove a win.
knowing supes reputation and due to his own pride thor decides to square off with supes toe to toe and loans diana his hammer. as thor and supes pummel eachother and orion and ba square off diana proceeds to maul cm with moljnir. after finishing off cm she then helps orion take care of ba. then the two of them watch supes and thor but dont interfere due to thor insistance of testing his might. after a long battle without the aid of moljnir thor finaly falls and diana and orion ko a worn out supes ftw.
Originally posted by h1a8Based on what feats is she stronger than Black Adam, Orion, Thor, Captain Marvel?
Imo, WW is at least stronger than everyone on both teams with the exception of Superman. And Superman is not that much stronger than her. Rhino is many many times stronger than Captain America yet Cap will Beat Rhino more times than not. If WW has martial art skills greater than any Earthly form, enough strength and speed to hurt, enough durability to take many blows, then of course she wins.Yes WW needs her skills to win otherwise she is toast (I agree). But know that Superman was swinging at her with all his might at full speed yet she was fast enough to duck and block his attacks. She even hit him with a stunning hit to the ears that could have ended the fight there. But no she didn't want to kill or hurt him so she let up. Diana could beat anyone on both teams with these stunning type blows. All it takes is one, and then she finishes them with an amazong (amazing) combo.
Letting her use the tiara and lasso is spite.
Being somewhat physically superior doesn't prove a win.
You just make ridiculous claims and never prove anything.
You are comparing these great heroes to that clod Rhino? Are ya serious?
The reason she stunned his ears is because she snuck up behind him. It was an utter cheapshot.
Diana isn't sneaking up on anyone here. Even with a cheapshot attack superman was still in it to win it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what feats is she stronger than Black Adam, Orion, Thor, Captain Marvel?You just make ridiculous claims and never prove anything.
You are comparing these great heroes to that clod Rhino? Are ya serious?
The reason she stunned his ears is because she snuck up behind him. It was an utter cheapshot.
Diana isn't sneaking up on anyone here. Even with a cheapshot attack superman was still in it to win it.
Based on feats yes she is stronger. The shazams have no great strength feats other than fighting Superman or beating up on teams. There is only one concept of Hercules The God of Strength. And D.C. mentions that Diana is stronger than Hercules (or the concept of him). CM and BA have the strength of Hercules (at least CM does). IMO, Thor is much weaker than Diana but don't argue that as you will lose in a long lengthy debate.
Diana doesn't need to sneak up on Superman or anyone else to hit them like she did when she cheapshotted Supes. If she hit him plenty of times in fair battle then she could ring his ears in fair battle too. Superman managed to come back because she let up. She didn't want to hurt him. In a fair fight to the finish she will not let up, but rather combo him till ko, lasso him after the hit, or tiara cut him after the hit. Remember these characters have the brains of the writer. That is why you see them do stupid things when you know they are smarter.
Originally posted by h1a8They don't need strength feats when they are shown to be peers to Superman. That's the gauge. Lifting certain things doesn't prove anything. You seem so behind on common sense and how to actually compare these characters I have no idea what your argument even is half the time.
Based on feats yes she is stronger. The shazams have no great strength feats other than fighting Superman or beating up on teams. There is only one concept of Hercules [b]The God of Strength. And D.C. mentions that Diana is stronger than Hercules (or the concept of him). CM and BA have the strength of Hercules (at least CM does). IMO, Thor is much weaker than Diana but don't argue that as you will lose in a long lengthy debate.Diana doesn't need to sneak up on Superman or anyone else to hit them like she did when she cheapshotted Supes. If she hit him plenty of times in fair battle then she could ring his ears in fair battle too. Superman managed to come back because she let up. She didn't want to hurt him. In a fair fight to the finish she will not let up, but rather combo him till ko, lasso him after the hit, or tiara cut him after the hit. Remember these characters have the brains of the writer. That is why you see them do stupid things when you know they are smarter. [/B]
How is Thor weaker than Diana? Please provide something not just one jackass statement after the next.
No, the reason he got his bell rung was because he had no idea where she was. When you get cheapshotted it's a cheapshot. Supes is a lot stronger than her.
I agree, he is around thor level but I give thor a small edge against him power wise. Thor possess the strongest firepower, has the best damage soak, hardest hits, and is one of the best fighters on the field. Orion is just as good; thats why I said switch up the teams; orion and thor can get the majority against anyone on team 2.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he is around thor level but I give thor a small edge against him power wise. Thor possess the strongest firepower, has the best damage soak, hardest hits, and is one of the best fighters on the field. Orion is just as good; thats why I said switch up the teams; orion and thor can get the majority against anyone on team 2.
Orion astro force can pretty much match the godblast on it's best performances and Orion is a better fighter, mastering most, if not all forms of fighting in the universe. at least that's what hinted in simonson's run.
Originally posted by quanchi112They were only shown to be peers to a holding back Superman. That's right Superman almost always holds back. So for practical purposes they are peers with Superman. But not potentially.
They don't need strength feats when they are shown to be peers to Superman. That's the gauge. Lifting certain things doesn't prove anything. You seem so behind on common sense and how to actually compare these characters I have no idea what your argument even is half the time.
The fact that she has enough strength to lift the entire Earth and Thor only a very small fraction of it.How is Thor weaker than Diana? Please provide something not just one jackass statement after the next.
What that got to do with what I said? If you didn't understand then just say so. But don't dimiss it in ignorance. First Superman is not a lot stronger than Diana, a non holding back Superman is.No, the reason he got his bell rung was because he had no idea where she was. When you get cheapshotted it's a cheapshot. Supes is a lot stronger than her.
My point is that Diana got many hits on Superman even when he was aware (fair hits). One of these could be easily traded for the ear bell shot. Or at least combo it from an initial hit. But to be honest I only see Superman beating Diana if he uses his freeze breath. This would slow diana down for him to combo her to ko. Maybe her Aegis could protect her if she gets it up in time. It would be a good fight though. Not a cakewalk for Superman by a long shot. With that said, she is superior to the shazams in every way.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he is around thor level but I give thor a small edge against him power wise. Thor possess the strongest firepower, has the best damage soak, hardest hits, and is one of the best fighters on the field. Orion is just as good; thats why I said switch up the teams; orion and thor can get the majority against anyone on team 2.
I disagree. Superman would take a large majority against Thor with ease (mainly because of the speed advantage).