The Maestro vs Juggernaut and WWHulk

Hulk is my favourite comic character, but no incarnation of Bruce Banner can beat Juggernaut other than bfr-because Cyttoraks enchantment means he is totally invulnerable to purely physical attacks. Hulk, not being magical has only physical force as a weapon. I reckon that completely enraged, he can surpass Cain in pure strength but is "only" highly durable, while Cain, unless affected by magic, is totally invulnerable. A fight between Hulk and Juggy would be a long drawn out affair, but Juggy would eventually (after several days probably) knock Hulk out as his punches would hurt Hulk but Hulk's wouldn't hurt him.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Not sure but Quan got owned

What else is new?

He got owned by me??? 😎

Its obvious Hulks strength isn't a factor when fighting Juggs because his durability nullifies it. This is fact that's why Juggs is a top notch brick no getting around it to say any Hulk can beat him other than by bfr is just stupid 😐

Originally posted by iceman24567
Its obvious Hulks strength isn't a factor when fighting Juggs because his durability nullifies it. This is fact that's why Juggs is a top notch brick no getting around it to say any Hulk can beat him other than by bfr is just stupid 😐

Agreed, apart from the assumption that anyone who says Hulk can beat up Juggy is stupid. Alot of people don't know that fully powered Juggernaut is completely invulnerable to purely physical attacks. They make the mistake of thinking he only has high level superhuman durability comparable to Hulk's own (when Hulk isn't written as someone with barely superhuman durability, getting by b'cos of his insane HF)
That's not stupidity on their part-just lack of knowledge of Juggernaut. I used to think the same before i read up on Juggy

Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, but that Hulk, no matter how strong(we actually don't know) doesn't count because Onslaught allowed him to break his shell, it was the only way he could evolve into his more powerful form, before that, Hulk couldn't do a damn thing. Fact. And Juggernaut never fought Onslaught, the thing appeared in front of him, ripped the Cyttorak gem from his body, then knocked him into New Jersey.

War Hulk stomped Juggs??? Juggs pushed him back a good 20-30 feet, then War Hulk started knocking up thr ground from his resistance, once he'd stopped Juggernaut(Thanks to immense amping thanks to Celestial tech), Juggernaut was surprised, then Hulk snuck a tendril around his ankle and threw him.

You honestly didn't realize that Juggernaut lost the first fight because he was the depowered version, and then he had that inner monologue with Cyttorak, who told him he wasn't being himself, that's why he couldn't access his full powers. Once he unlocked his full power, he got his armor back, and he threw down with WWH for real, and then WWH knew that if he didn't BFR him, the fight would go on for a while, and he would more than likely lose. Oh yeah, and remember, he had to use Juggernaut's own unstoppability against him to get him to run into the lake, because Juggernaut was pushing him back, and getting the upper hand.

You my friend, are just wrong.

Juggs was easily owned and has never shown the strength feats to do so.

The guy barely beat the builder during 8th day. They were locked and what not in a struggle for a while and Juggs was even more powerful in this story. I fail to see anything strength wise which puts him near Hulk's stronger more pissed off bodies. Nothing. His durability and his momentum makes him a pain not his strength.

And was about to cut his head off. Juggs looked scared out of his mind when war stopped his forward momentum. If you can stop his forward momentum dead in his tracks you can break Juggs. He did it on pure strength.

I already said that he did. I did understand that. Cain wasn't himself and hadn't become a full out juggernaut yet. Not that it mattered. The momentum was being redirected underground and it was tearing up the foundation underneath the mansion. Hulk wasn't being pushed backwards. Hulk beat him in record time as he wasn't even there for Juggs. Hulk said anything that happened in the past is dead and different. he had no fears and knew Juggs wasn't a threat to him. Juggs was a minor speedbump in his quest.

I my friend am correct as usual. I have given multiple examples which you just choose to ignore. You saying Juggs would have beaten WW Hulk is just another ignorant statement. There is no proof of that and it ignores the entire story of WW Hulk. Skaar just punked Juggs anyways.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Not sure but Quan got owned

Originally posted by The Nuul
What else is new?

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Agreed, apart from the assumption that anyone who says Hulk can beat up Juggy is stupid. Alot of people don't know that fully powered Juggernaut is completely invulnerable to purely physical attacks. They make the mistake of thinking he only has high level superhuman durability comparable to Hulk's own (when Hulk isn't written as someone with barely superhuman durability, getting by b'cos of his insane HF)
That's not stupidity on their part-just lack of knowledge of Juggernaut. I used to think the same before i read up on Juggy

Believe or not quanchi, I was actually sticking up for you in my previous post-pointing out that anyone who thinks Hulk can knock out Juggernaut is NOT stupid. Until I read up on Juggernaut I thought his durability level was around the level of a very enraged Hulk-as opposed to complete invulnerability to physical attack. Cain's only vulnerabilities are to psychic/telepathic attack (when his helmet is off) and magic. This is part of his powerset as set by Marvel themselves. Any instance where fully powered Juggy gets taken out by normal physical means is PIS.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Believe or not quanchi, I was actually sticking up for you in my previous post-pointing out that anyone who thinks Hulk can knock out Juggernaut is NOT stupid. Until I read up on Juggernaut I thought his durability level was around the level of a very enraged Hulk-as opposed to complete invulnerability to physical attack. Cain's only vulnerabilities are to psychic/telepathic attack (when his helmet is off) and magic. This is part of his powerset as set by Marvel themselves. Any instance where fully powered Juggy gets taken out by normal physical means is PIS.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So its not completely ludicrous to think Hulk can KO somebody that doesn't even feel the affects of physical force? The guy is pretty much undead no sleep, food or oxygen. Juggs hasn't been koed by physical force but Hulk can do it because he is the strongest one their is? Delusional fanboy dreams not happening in comics or in forums battles nobody brought any scans or even facts to prove Juggs can be put down by strength only so yes stupid would be the word to use 😮

Some people don't know that Juggernauat is completely invunerable to physical force. It doesn't make them stupid-just not knowledgeble about juggs. There is a difference. try considering that before insulting people.

Some people but just about every regular poster on here knows what Juggs is capable of but they choose to ignore it for what? You can easily search this site and see for yourself why physical force is useless against him maybe i'm giving their comic book knowledge to much credit i doubt it though.

people think someone with supposably unlimited strength can harm someone who supposably cant be hurt by physical means...hmmm its like the unstoppable force and immovable object shit...

not fun to think about...hurts the brain

Originally posted by quanchi112
The guy barely beat the builder during 8th day. They were locked and what not in a struggle for a while and Juggs was even more powerful in this story. I fail to see anything strength wise which puts him near Hulk's stronger more pissed off bodies. Nothing. His durability and his momentum makes him a pain not his strength.

And was about to cut his head off. Juggs looked scared out of his mind when war stopped his forward momentum. If you can stop his forward momentum dead in his tracks you can break Juggs. He did it on pure strength.

Juggernaut and StoneCutter's fight was said to be the fiercest fight on earth. Not New York or the Eastern Seaboard, but ON EARTH.

War Hulk wasn't going to do anything with that sword. He had if for an entire fight and never even scratched Cain. And sense when do verbal threats mean that someone can automatically do something? Stopping Juggernaut does not mean you can break him. When Thor stopped him, Cain was more angered at not being able to finish the fight. Him being stopped never crossed his mind.

Originally posted by Master Court
First off, I don't hate Juggernaut. I'm not anti-Juggernaut. I never said Juggernaut sucks, that he's a jobber, or that he's far beneath Hulk.

That said, you know DAMN well that Trion Juggernaut was hardly Juggernaut at all. That's not Juggernaut's "strength potential". He had an outside power source. Like when Spider-Man was Captain Universe. That doesn't mean Spider-Man has the potential to orbit-punch Hulk. He only did it because of Captain Universe. However, when we saw Hulk bust open Onslaught, true it was with a little mind tampering, but it was still the Hulk's own body and own power. The TP merely let Hulk tap into it quicker. But since it's Hulk's own body and power, Savage Hulk has the potential to reach that strength. Technically, Savage Hulk could even reach World Breaker levels if he knew how. And World Breaker, by the way, sh*ts on anything Juggernaut has ever done outside Trion and other external amps. What has Juggernaut, strictly under his own power, ever done that could put him in Hulk's strength range?

Fact is, neither of these two have ever really been allowed to finish a fight. Except when Prof Hulk didn't know he was fighting Juggernaut and so he held back.

Hulk is stronger than Juggernaut. That's the way it is. Juggernaut is more durable than Hulk. That's that.

Besides that, they've never shown any significant advantage over the other except for their expertise.

Potential is meaningless if it remains untapped.

According to Marvel Magneto has the potential to control all matter. But what are his chances to do so in a given fight? That's right, near 0.

Juggs unstoppable enchantment adds to his strength. Thus Juggs is stronger practical wise. Hulk is more agile and a better fighter but still has no way to put Juggs down except by bfr. IMO, Juggs>>>>any Hulk if bfr is not an issue.

Juggernaut's a pretty decent brawler as well, years of street fighting, plus military combat training, he just likes to punch things, so he doesn't really use the skills he does have.

Originally posted by h1a8
Potential is meaningless if it remains untapped.

According to Marvel Magneto has the potential to control all matter. But what are his chances to do so in a given fight? That's right, near 0.

Juggs unstoppable enchantment adds to his strength. Thus Juggs is stronger practical wise. Hulk is more agile and a better fighter but still has no way to put Juggs down except by bfr. IMO, Juggs>>>>any Hulk if bfr is not an issue.

Except Hulk has no limit. All of Hulk's potential is reachable under his own power. The Beyonder himself tried to measure Hulk's limit and said it was incalculable.

No way to put him down? We've never seen a complete fight between these two. The writers won't allow it. Juggernaut KO'd Hulk once that I can recall. And it was a self-restraining Prof Hulk who didn't know he was fighting Juggernaut.

And this "momentum adds to his strength" sh*t. Where did you pull that from? I can see how it makes sense, but if they've never said it, then it's just a theory. What they have said is that Hulk's strength is infinite. Besides, the momentum theory of yours just hurts Juggernaut's case. That would be the same as saying outright that the Juggernaut vs WWHulk lock-up wasn't strength for strength.

And as for the Onslaught armor feat? It's f*cking stupid for people to keep downplaying it. Just because Onslaught wanted his armor gone doesn't make it any less impressive of Hulk to smash it. If Hulk didn't make a difference, why didn't Onslaught just rip his own damn armor off? Fact is, everyone else failed, regardless if it's not what Onslaught wanted. And fact is, he goaded Hulk because he knew Hulk was the only one that could do what he needed to have done. If Juggernaut could've done it, Onslaught wouldn't have just pwned him and tossed him aside. Same for Thor. So big f*cking deal if Onslaught wanted his armor broken, he also needed Hulk to do it.

Just imagine if the Destroyer gained it's own sentience and wanted someone to break it open. Would it make it any f*cking easier just because it's what the Destroyer wants?

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Believe or not quanchi, I was actually sticking up for you in my previous post-pointing out that anyone who thinks Hulk can knock out Juggernaut is NOT stupid. Until I read up on Juggernaut I thought his durability level was around the level of a very enraged Hulk-as opposed to complete invulnerability to physical attack. Cain's only vulnerabilities are to psychic/telepathic attack (when his helmet is off) and magic. This is part of his powerset as set by Marvel themselves. Any instance where fully powered Juggy gets taken out by normal physical means is PIS.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Juggernaut and StoneCutter's fight was said to be the fiercest fight on earth. Not New York or the Eastern Seaboard, but ON EARTH.

War Hulk wasn't going to do anything with that sword. He had if for an entire fight and never even scratched Cain. And sense when do verbal threats mean that someone can automatically do something? Stopping Juggernaut does not mean you can break him. When Thor stopped him, Cain was more angered at not being able to finish the fight. Him being stopped never crossed his mind.

We have seen War shove Juggs around like nothing. Thor pushed him back but he was still going to move forward again. War stopped him dead cold due to his strength. Juggs freaked out and was more than scared. War smacked Juggs around like he was nothing and intimidated him. I suggest you reread it if you think Juggs wasn't fearful of War when he was stopped dead in his tracks.

Ok, War Hulk never hurt Juggs though.

And Juggs was freaked out because he got stopped, it never happened before, so of course he was surprised. It's like if you get every girl you want, for most of your adult life, then a girl says no to you, of course you'll be surprised.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Stonecutter wasn't known for being a physical badass he was just great at building things. He took it upon himself to take on a more powerful Juggs and held his own.

We have seen War shove Juggs around like nothing. Thor pushed him back but he was still going to move forward again. War stopped him dead cold due to his strength. Juggs freaked out and was more than scared. War smacked Juggs around like he was nothing and intimidated him. I suggest you reread it if you think Juggs wasn't fearful of War when he was stopped dead in his tracks.

Regardless of what Stonecutter was designed for, his and Juggernaut's fight was described as the fiercest on Earth.

War Hulk didn't shove Juggs around like he was nothing. After they both reached the city, Juggs knocked War through a parking lot and they traded blows, then Hulk knocked him off his feet. And it wasn't due to Hulk's strength, that Juggs was stopped. It was due to the Celestial Tech as said by Apocalyspe. Like KingD19 said, he was surprised, not freaked out. The comic was not that impressive, even a fan in the green mail section expressed his dislike of a fight gone to waste.

Originally posted by Master Court
And as for the Onslaught armor feat? It's f*cking stupid for people to keep downplaying it. Just because Onslaught wanted his armor gone doesn't make it any less impressive of Hulk to smash it. If Hulk didn't make a difference, why didn't Onslaught just rip his own damn armor off? Fact is, everyone else failed, regardless if it's not what Onslaught wanted. And fact is, he goaded Hulk because he knew Hulk was the only one that could do what he needed to have done. If Juggernaut could've done it, Onslaught wouldn't have just pwned him and tossed him aside. Same for Thor. So big f*cking deal if Onslaught wanted his armor broken, he also needed Hulk to do it.

Just imagine if the Destroyer gained it's own sentience and wanted someone to break it open. Would it make it any f*cking easier just because it's what the Destroyer wants?

You're grasping for straws.

Juggernaut was depowered and he never had the gem to begin with. Bad writing. The whole Onslaught saga was pretty awful.

Thor busted right through Onslaught. Cable, Joseph and Cyclops all cracked his armor. Saying "Hulk was da only one that could do it" is just wrong.