Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It wasn't hyperbole. They just couldn't stop it from happening. The Watcher stated that even if the Prime Celestial host can't stop it, no one can.
If Infinity can make Quasar powerful enough to match Maelstrom in terms of power then we know that they COULD do something.
By what you say Maelstrom>Abraxas/Oblivion/IG/UN/GF etc..
which isn't true.
After Maelstrom was defeated, Infinity told Oblivion that Maelstrom was going to "overthrow him and it would have unbalanced the universe" (paraphrased), which implies Maelstrom was becoming more powerful or had the potential to be even greater. Oblivion had to remind him of his place a couple of times.
The power Infinity granted Quasar was enough to match the power Oblivion gave Maelstrom, but added to this was Maelstrom's status as an anomaly + cosmic awareness + quantum bands which was only balanced out by Quasar's status as a greater anomaly. What percentage was Oblivion's power and what percentage was Maelstrom's is unknown. I'll say though that the Infinity Gauntlet is greater than the sum of Oblivion's power + cosmic awareness + quantum bands. However, what is unknown is the Infinity Gauntlet's effect against an anomaly like Maelstrom.
With regards to the question about the intensity of the blast that Thanos tried to kill Maelstrom with. Take notice of the setting. Thanos was on his throne, some guy materializes and mocks his godhood, Thanos' fist is clenched. Do you think Thanos fired a weak blast? And remember, Thanos was monitoring Maelstrom's activity and said something about being rivaled, so he knew Maelstrom's power levels (I don't remember which crossover it was but I believe he was talking to Mephisto or one of Death's servants).
I remember reading somewhere that Jim Starlin didn't like his boy Thanos portrayed as being powerless against Maelstrom. In terms of this thread, if the Nullifier worked it would just send Maelstrom to Oblivion's realm - a place he's probably visited a few times.
I know the maths don't add up: IG > Eternity = Death = Oblivion = Full Galactus > Maelstrom but IG seems to have no effect on Maelstrom. My only explanation is that Maelstrom's an anomaly so the normal rules don't apply to him.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Gotta disagree with you here good friend. Being Anomaly meant nothing normal could hurt him. The UN is a "normal" as is Galactus, they wouldn't be able to inflict any damage upon him. It took Quasay being an even greater anomaly to finally put him away.
If the IG couldn't do it, the UN sure as hell ain't coming close.
Heck, Maelstrom himself admitted he was beneath the power of the IG.
Bottomline:
Maelstrom couldn't even affect a single reality with all his power,
while the UN remade the entire prime Multiverse.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33The IG had NO affect on Maelstrom, none. His handbook entry confirms this.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/maelstrom.htm
"As Anomaly, Maelstrom possessed Cosmic Awareness, and could alter reality; he was immune to nearly all forms of harm, and could not be affected by the Infinity Gauntlet."
Fact is, that we don't know what happened exactly,
what we do know, is that Thanos only attacked Maelstrom once,
and again, for all we know, he was erased and then sent back by Oblivion.
I mean, you say he wasn't affected,
but actually,
he was obliterated,
THEN,
he re-appeared. (in which case it fits in nicely with my 'Oblivion's interferring' stance)
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Where are you getting that nothing could hurt him from?
Gotta disagree with you here good friend. Being Anomaly meant nothing normal could hurt him. The UN is a "normal" as is Galactus, they wouldn't be able to inflict any damage upon him. It took Quasay being an even greater anomaly to finally put him away.If the IG couldn't do it, the UN sure as hell ain't coming close.
^ From him not being affected by a blast by the IG.
Originally posted by K Von DoomDid Maelstrom showcase an ability to move in and out of Oblivion's realm in that storyline?
After Maelstrom was defeated, Infinity told Oblivion that Maelstrom was going to "overthrow him and it would have unbalanced the universe" (paraphrased), which implies Maelstrom was becoming more powerful or had the potential to be even greater. Oblivion had to remind him of his place a couple of times.The power Infinity granted Quasar was enough to match the power Oblivion gave Maelstrom, but added to this was Maelstrom's status as an anomaly + cosmic awareness + quantum bands which was only balanced out by Quasar's status as a greater anomaly. What percentage was Oblivion's power and what percentage was Maelstrom's is unknown. I'll say though that the Infinity Gauntlet is greater than the sum of Oblivion's power + cosmic awareness + quantum bands. However, what is unknown is the Infinity Gauntlet's effect against an anomaly like Maelstrom.
With regards to the question about the intensity of the blast that Thanos tried to kill Maelstrom with. Take notice of the setting. Thanos was on his throne, some guy materializes and mocks his godhood, Thanos' fist is clenched. Do you think Thanos fired a weak blast? And remember, Thanos was monitoring Maelstrom's activity and said something about being rivaled, so he knew Maelstrom's power levels (I don't remember which crossover it was but I believe he was talking to Mephisto or one of Death's servants).
I remember reading somewhere that Jim Starlin didn't like his boy Thanos portrayed as being powerless against Maelstrom. In terms of this thread, if the Nullifier worked it would just send Maelstrom to Oblivion's realm - a place he's probably visited a few times.
I know the maths don't add up: IG > Eternity = Death = Oblivion = Full Galactus > Maelstrom but IG seems to have no effect on Maelstrom. My only explanation is that Maelstrom's an anomaly so the normal rules don't apply to him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Did Maelstrom showcase an ability to move in and out of Oblivion's realm in that storyline?
I don't remember him displaying such. Although I've not seen Oblivion's realm so when the two communicated it's hard to tell if it's in deep space or if Oblivion's realm actually looks like space. I'm quite certain that Deathurge has that ability, and if Maelstrom is of a higher standing in Oblivion's eyes, he might have been granted that ability too, but I'm just speculating.
Originally posted by K Von Doomremeber the place where MJJ & Fury fight just b4 it fry his head? (unspace of something)
I don't remember him displaying such. Although I've not seen Oblivion's realm so when the two communicated it's hard to tell if it's in deep space or if Oblivion's realm actually looks like space. I'm quite certain that Deathurge has that ability, and if Maelstrom is of a higher standing in Oblivion's eyes, he might have been granted that ability too, but I'm just speculating.
thats also part of Oblivions realm right? 🤨 (tho Fury wasnt nulified so IDK if it wuz realy "in" his realm duh)
Originally posted by OneDumbG0That was one casual blast. If Odin and Thanos stopped their battle after their initial blasts where Thanos didn't even flinch would you assume Odin can't hurt Thanos?
^ From him not being affected by a blast by the IG. Did Maelstrom showcase an ability to move in and out of Oblivion's realm in that storyline?
Originally posted by quanchi112First of all, I don't see how you call this a casual blast:
That was one casual blast. If Odin and Thanos stopped their battle after their initial blasts where Thanos didn't even flinch would you assume Odin can't hurt Thanos?
Second of all, there are reasons why you shouldn't conflate the impotence of the IG with the concept of casualness. Because not only does the blast not affect Maelstrom, but Thanos is further confused as to whether he was even there. Which means that his complete awareness of space, time and reality could not discern what just happened. This is more in line with the IG not being able to affect/understand a complete anomaly.
The idea that the IG can be impotent is not an isolated instance. Consider also that Adam Warlock was also able to act outside the scope of IG-wielders' awareness because he was outside the boundaries of Order and Chaos.
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That's right, Galactus still wins in a stomp.
Maelstrom = I can't even take out the 616 reality without a stipulation,
and even with the stipulation, it would take me time,
enough time in fact, to get owned by Quasar backed by Infinity.
UN = I can erase from existence, and then re-create from non-existence
the entire prime Multiverse (including the 616 reality-Eternity/Infinity) in an instant.
And as far as IG vs Maelstrom goes:
IG ftw. in the most ridiculous stomp ever.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, that's a casual blast. We see Thanos going all out later against Eternity and the abstracts. He was angry and blasted Maelstrom and was not killed. Thais is hardly proof of Thanos and the ig not being able to defeat him even though an avatar of Infinity did so.
First of all, I don't see how you call this a casual blast:Second of all, there are reasons why you shouldn't conflate the impotence of the IG with the concept of casualness. Because not only does the blast not affect Maelstrom, but Thanos is further confused as to whether he was even there. Which means that his complete awareness of space, time and reality could not discern what just happened. This is more in line with the IG not being able to affect/understand a complete anomaly.
The idea that the IG can be impotent is not an isolated instance. Consider also that Adam Warlock was also able to act outside the scope of IG-wielders' awareness because he was outside the boundaries of Order and Chaos.
The ig still has control over reality and reality still affected him at this point. The black hole later killed him did it not? His concentration and lack of confidence also did him in against Quasar.
I am not saying the ig doesn't have flaws but it still defeats Maelstrom in battle, hands down. Maelstrom at his peak in 616 was on par with Infinity while Thanos was above any abstract.
Originally posted by quanchi112It's pretty clear that the entire point of that scene is to show how Maelstrom has nothing to fear from Thanos w/IG. It establishes how much Maelstrom had achieved by becoming an Anomaly. You're projecting your own theory on the scene when there's no evidence supporting it.
Yes, that's a casual blast. We see Thanos going all out later against Eternity and the abstracts. He was angry and blasted Maelstrom and was not killed. Thais is hardly proof of Thanos and the ig not being able to defeat him even though an avatar of Infinity did so.The ig still has control over reality and reality still affected him at this point. The black hole later killed him did it not? His concentration and lack of confidence also did him in against Quasar.
I am not saying the ig doesn't have flaws but it still defeats Maelstrom in battle, hands down. Maelstrom at his peak in 616 was on par with Infinity while Thanos was above any abstract.
But regardless of whether your speculation has any merit, you haven't addressed the point about how Thanos, with a complete IG had no idea what just happened. How could the master of all Space, Time and Reality be oblivious to what just occurred? That can only lead to one conclusion: Maelstrom, as an Anomaly, operated outside the bounds of the Infinity Gauntlet.
That conclusion in and of itself would be quite a reach if there wasn't already precedent establishing that such a thing can occur, i.e., Adam Warlock operating outside the awareness of Nebula w/IG. So there isn't much point to your continual speculation until you address that.
