Galactus w/Ultimate Nullifier vs Maelstrom

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was pissed. When I say casual I don't mean that Thanos didn't mean him harm I just mean this blast was hardly his best. I don't think it would have defeated any of the abstracts either.

Quasar was his peer. Quasar defeated him because Maelstrom lost his concentration/focus. Thanos would simply overpower any abstract like Eternity. He was a peer to none of them while Maelstrom was Qusar's peer as Oblivion's avatar.

If you had absolute power and believed yourself to be a god, then some guy mocks your beliefs, would you try to annihilate him or fire a regular blast that's not guaranteed to do the job? You have infinite power, you would use it. The reason Thanos failed to kill Maelstrom would boil down to either one of two things: He's not all knowing so he didn't know how much power was needed to kill Maelstrom, by extension he could not read Maelstrom's mind to find out how he obtained such power, so Maelstrom would be outside the sphere of influence of the Infinity Gems; or plainly the Infinity Gauntlet didn't have the power to kill him.

Looking at the way Thanos dealt with the other cosmics. He turned away from Love and Hate in contempt and fired off a blast seemingly as an afterthought and got rid of them. Against the Celestials, Thanos was just standing there, then outstretched an arm and fired a blast that scattered the Celestials and planets. Against Galactus, The Stranger and Eon, he was more animated. However, against Maelstrom, he was in full rage. That blast was set to destroy.

Quasar was Maelstrom's peer... as an anomaly. The win condition had nothing to do with Infinity, Oblivion, the black hole, the quantum bands or cosmic awareness. Quasar shook Maelstrom's belief that he was the ultimate anomaly by showing that he was a greater one. No doubt Thanos would overpower Eternity, it's proven, but how will the gems overpower someone who's not affected by them? It's like the Living Tribunal trying to overpower the Starbrand, not gonna happen because it's outside of his influence.

k how coud Malestrom kill Anomaly?

^ He killed an M-Body of Anomaly and gained the characteristics of an anomaly. I don't think he actually killed Anomaly, since Anomaly reappeared.

^ so that avatar wuz also a anomaly right? since he absorb the powers of that avatar & became himself anomaly

either that or he killed the real thing
(btw when did Anomaly reapear? 🤨 )

😆 at the argument over Maelstrom vs the IG.

Galactus still wins in a stomp of stomps.

IG ftw against Galactus/UN and Maelstrom combined,
in an even bigger stomp of stomps.

Originally posted by K Von Doom

If you had absolute power and believed yourself to be a god

The IG itself is said to grant it's user complete omnipotence in it's bio.

Originally posted by K Von Doom

Quasar was Maelstrom's peer... as an anomaly. The win condition had nothing to do with Infinity, Oblivion, the black hole, the quantum bands or cosmic awareness.

Quasar shook Maelstrom's belief that he was the ultimate anomaly
by showing that he was a greater one.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
It's like the Living Tribunal trying to overpower the Starbrand, not gonna happen because it's outside of his influence.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

^ He killed an M-Body of Anomaly and gained the characteristics of an anomaly.
I don't think he actually killed Anomaly, since Anomaly reappeared.

Maelstrom killed the embodiment of the Anomaly,
and thus usurped that concepts sentience as said embodiment,
thus becoming the new representative concept of Anomalies.

But like all concepts,
once the usurper relinquishes said position as said concept,
the original sentience returns as the concept it embodied from the beginning.

Where Concepts go when they are killed is a Marvel mystery.
but they can die, or be erased from existence.

Killing the M-Body by itself means nothing,
as the M-Body is merely a vessel that houses the Concepts sentience/power,
but killing the M-body does allow access to the power/sentience the M-Body houses.

This is why when Thanos stomped Eternity's M-body,
he instantly became the embodiment/sentience of reality.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
to try and steer this thread back to galactus and the nullifier, what do you guys think about oblivion himself compared to galactus?

(have to throw this in though)

the in-betweener is also imune to the gems as i've posted before, and adam warlock. both have been defeated, and adam has been subdued by an incomplete ig also. 😬

master order and lord chaos imprisoned and ...i guess punished him off panel in his nexus realm, thanos with the ig raped those two abstracts. *shrugs*

We know this isn't the case at all. This means they cannot be affected by anything that the ig can bring which is literally almost anything.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Once again, straw-man. You're twisting my words again. This train-wreck of an argument is horrid.

I never said not being aware means you survive the ig in combat. I never said tanking one blast means you can take everything the ig can throw your way.

For the love of jebus, read what I said. I'm arguing that the scene represents that Maelstrom isn't affected by the IG at all. This is bolstered by the fact that the IG has shortcomings, another of which was demonstrated as it applies to Maelstrom in that Thanos w/IG has no idea what happened, how it happened or even if it happened.

Your incessant wish to twist my words doesn't change the fact that all your arguments are completely inaposite to mine, i.e., you're not refuting anything of what I said. Not to mention your own interpretation of what happened isn't even supported by anything on-panel.

Thanos had complete awareness of reality, space and time, etc. Why couldn't he figure out what was going on? Go think hard on that one.

Thanos not being aware of the status of Maelstrom doesn't mean he cannot destroy him in a one on one battle. he might be outside the scope of the ig's awareness although I chalk it up to bad writing, but this doesn't mean he can survive an all out assault by Thanos.

For the final time not knowing about the survival of Maelstrom has nothing to do with these two pitting their powers against one another.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
If you had absolute power and believed yourself to be a god, then some guy mocks your beliefs, would you try to annihilate him or fire a regular blast that's not guaranteed to do the job? You have infinite power, you would use it. The reason Thanos failed to kill Maelstrom would boil down to either one of two things: He's not all knowing so he didn't know how much power was needed to kill Maelstrom, by extension he could not read Maelstrom's mind to find out how he obtained such power, so Maelstrom would be outside the sphere of influence of the Infinity Gems; or plainly the Infinity Gauntlet didn't have the power to kill him.

Looking at the way Thanos dealt with the other cosmics. He turned away from Love and Hate in contempt and fired off a blast seemingly as an afterthought and got rid of them. Against the Celestials, Thanos was just standing there, then outstretched an arm and fired a blast that scattered the Celestials and planets. Against Galactus, The Stranger and Eon, he was more animated. However, against Maelstrom, he was in full rage. That blast was set to destroy.

Quasar was Maelstrom's peer... as an anomaly. The win condition had nothing to do with Infinity, Oblivion, the black hole, the quantum bands or cosmic awareness. Quasar shook Maelstrom's belief that he was the ultimate anomaly by showing that he was a greater one. No doubt Thanos would overpower Eternity, it's proven, but how will the gems overpower someone who's not affected by them? It's like the Living Tribunal trying to overpower the Starbrand, not gonna happen because it's outside of his influence.

The ig didn't show it could kill Eternity, but it replaced his place in the cosmos and defeated him. At this point Maelstrom wasn't even an avatar of Oblivion.

Yes, but he didn't defeat them until he imprisoned them all later on after death and meph betrayed him. So this blast didn't kill them either so why would you bring up something that hurts your case.

The blackhole killed him before he was Oblivion's avatar so he was far less powerful when he met up with Thanos. Him being an avatar has nothing to do with how powerful he was during his scene with Thanos. A black hole killed him and Quasar caused him to doubt himself. Who better than Thanos at breaking someone in an intense battle of wills.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, odg's argument makes no sense and he deems characters like these as examples of beings who are unaffected by the ig in combat. This is what he basically equates it to.

We know this isn't the case at all. This means they cannot be affected by anything that the ig can bring which is literally almost anything. That's what you implied. I am glad to see you admitted this isn't proof Maelstrom can survive anything thrown his way by the ig which is ridiculous.

I haven't admitted anything. Once again, you're putting words into my mouth. Just because I point out that I never said something and that you put words into my mouth, does not now mean I agree with your original position. Get your head on straight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos not being aware of the status of Maelstrom doesn't mean he cannot destroy him in a one on one battle.

It's like talking to a wall of paint here. Seriously, don't eat the paint chips, bro.

Mr Master: I appreciate the interpretation. He killed an M-Body, which meant superimposing himself onto the concept, in effect killing the concept, until he no longer was the concept. K.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I didn't deem characters like the In-Betweener or Adam Warlock as an example of a being who is unaffected by the ig in combat. You're putting words into my mouth again. I'm focusing on how Maelstrom was apparently unaffected by the IG. Seriously, your accusations, misstatements, straw-manning and incessant whining would be annoying if they weren't so undeniably wrong. I'm arguing apples and you're arguing oranges. I don't know how to dumb it down for you anymore.

I haven't admitted anything. Once again, you're putting words into my mouth. Just because I point out that I never said something and that you put words into my mouth, does not now mean I agree with your original position. Get your head on straight.
Never said so. That fact is simply supportive proof that bolsters the interpretation that Maelstrom wasn't affected by the IG's power in that one scene.

It's like talking to a wall of paint here. Seriously, don't eat the paint chips, bro.

Mr Master: I appreciate the interpretation. He killed an M-Body, which meant superimposing himself onto the concept, in effect killing the concept, until he no longer was the concept. K.

Save your insults and your repeated statements for someone who cares. You are wrong and everyone knows it.

That's one blast. That's hardly proof of anything. In fact we later saw Maelstrom killed by something the ig can muster up like an after-thought.

Your constant attempts at belittling and downplaying Thanos an dthe ig are grating on my nerves.

Also Thanos never easily defeated any abstract for good with a casual blast from his glove. In an all out battle Maelstrom would have been dominated and at the height of his power he was only a peer to Infinity. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Those are other prime examples of their actions and the ig not being completely aware of them at all times. Surviving one blast doesn't equate to taking down and being completely immune to the ig by any means.

You've been pretty much arguing with your imagination this entire time. I'm not even annoyed anymore that you tried to put words into my mouth. It's frankly amusing, if not a little disturbing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your constant attempts at belittling and downplaying Thanos an dthe ig are grating on my nerves.

Also Thanos never easily defeated any abstract for good with a casual blast from his glove. In an all out battle Maelstrom would have been dominated and at the height of his power he was only a peer to Infinity.

Your imaginary buddy who you've been arguing with isn't in my direction.

He's that way somewhere ----->

No. Keep going ---------------------------------------------->

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
First of all, I don't see how you call this a casual blast:

Second of all, there are reasons why you shouldn't conflate the impotence of the IG with the concept of casualness. Because not only does the blast not affect Maelstrom, but Thanos is further confused as to whether he was even there. Which means that his complete awareness of space, time and reality could not discern what just happened. This is more in line with the IG not being able to affect/understand a complete anomaly.

The idea that the IG can be impotent is not an isolated instance. Consider also that Adam Warlock was also able to act outside the scope of IG-wielders' awareness because he was outside the boundaries of Order and Chaos.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Never said Maelstrom could take down the IG. Said that the more reasonable way to interpret that scene was that Maelstrom was immune from the IG. When you consider how plainly the scene is presented, the context of the story and other supportive evidence.

You've been pretty much arguing with your imagination this entire time. I'm not even annoyed anymore that you tried to put words into my mouth. It's frankly amusing, if not a little disturbing.
If you feel that way, put me on ignore.

Your imaginary buddy who you've been arguing with isn't in my direction.

He's that way somewhere ----->

No. Keep going ---------------------------------------------->

I'm amused at the notion that you'd assume you would be the first to be on my ignore list. It will never happen.

Your insults like this argument fail.

so again how coud Malestrom defeat an anomaly? 😕
(the Anomalys avatar itself is a anomaly right? else he woudnt have absorbed Anomalys power)

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
so again how coud Malestrom defeat an anomaly? 😕
(the Anomalys avatar itself is a anomaly right? else he woudnt have absorbed Anomalys power)

the rest of their battle took place off panel.

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but in the very next issue, maelstrom told oblivion that he had "slain" anomaly, and usurped it's role in the hierarchy:

Originally posted by Galan007
all we saw was maelstrom initially engage anomaly:

the rest of their battle took place off panel.

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but in the very next issue, maelstrom told oblivion that he had "slain" anomaly, and usurped it's role in the hierarchy:

i mean Malestrom wuz "normal" so if normal things cant kill anomalies then how did he kill it? 🤨

Its my opinon that just like what malestrom did to maraki.....who is not suposed to die..he did with anomaly....its in his words with Anomaly....

"i rob you of the self preservitive motion of your organic molecules"

Sersi was surprised to see maraki dead and even tried to jump start him...but she could not....

i think Maelstrom figured out that anomaly while being in this universe still had to abide by the law of kinetic motion...and there lies its defeat....plot device? impressive feat of a power?

yeah but w/e trick he used he still killed it right?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah but w/e trick he used he still killed it right?

It would appear so....i do remember quasar coming into contact with anomaly after this incident...and i believe anomaly states that he is not the same as the anomaly that maelstrom defeated.....can anybody get thier hands on the scan? i think quasar was looking for eternity or LT and came across anomaly and thats where they had a confrotation...it would be interesting to see thier exchange...i am almost sure they make reference to the anomaly in this story arch

Originally posted by starlock
It would appear so....i do remember quasar coming into contact with anomaly after this incident...and i believe anomaly states that he is not the same as the anomaly that maelstrom defeated.....can anybody get thier hands on the scan? i think quasar was looking for eternity or LT and came across anomaly and thats where they had a confrotation...it would be interesting to see thier exchange...i am almost sure they make reference to the anomaly in this story arch

anomaly says that quasar invoked his attributes once before without permission, he trolled quasar twice in that issue cause he tried to get close to the cosmic beings.