Galactus w/Ultimate Nullifier vs Maelstrom

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's pretty clear that the entire point of that scene is to show how Maelstrom has nothing to fear from Thanos w/IG. It establishes how much Maelstrom had achieved by becoming an Anomaly. You're projecting your own theory on the scene when there's no evidence supporting it.

But regardless of whether your speculation has any merit, you haven't addressed the point about how Thanos, with a complete IG had no idea what just happened. How could the master of all Space, Time and Reality be oblivious to what just occurred? That can only lead to one conclusion: Maelstrom, as an Anomaly, operated outside the bounds of the Infinity Gauntlet.

That conclusion in and of itself would be quite a reach if there wasn't already precedent establishing that such a thing can occur, i.e., Adam Warlock operating outside the awareness of Nebula w/IG. So there isn't much point to your continual speculation until you address that.

This isn't proof he can defeat him in direct combat. Without Oblivion resurrecting him he wouldn't have returned to plaque Quasar inside the black hole. The only reason he did so was because of an abstract who was beneath Thanos with the ig in the first place.

What does not being aware of something have to do with how the ig is in direct combat? Nothing. 🙂

Ps. Even with his increased power in another reality he still an equal to Thanos and fighting over a sun which leads all reasonable people to assume before he ascended past Oblivion he wasn't as powerful then to challenge Thanos.

I still believe in the end Thanos would have prevailed in that reality had we seen more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does not being aware of something have to do with how the ig is in direct combat?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ps. Even with his increased power in another reality he still an equal to Thanos and fighting over a sun which leads all reasonable people to assume before he ascended past Oblivion he wasn't as powerful then to challenge Thanos.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It lends direct support to my assertion that Maelstrom's status as an Anomaly immunized him from being affected by the IG's power. You have no such support that Thanos took it easy on Maelstrom or, that if he tried harder, he'd kill Maelstrom. Which is why I consider my interpretation is the more logical one over yours.
Alternate universes can't be used as evidence. So your speculations regarding that scene are off-topic.

Ok, fine. The point is in the 616 universe he was still at his best equal to an avatar representing Infinity. In fact he was less than as his concentration cost him his life/power.

Thanos defeated all the abstracts personally by defeating them. If a black hole can destroy Maelstrom why can't the ig?

btw Malestrom was no anomaly b4 he killed that Anomaly thing right?

so if normal things cant kill anomalies then how coud he kill it?

maelstrom killed anomaly to usurp it's power, lets not forget that.

i'm pretty sure thanos would erase him if they met again with the same powers, anomaly just affords maelstrom with better defense and stealth than usual, power and versitility is all thanos.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw Malestrom was no anomaly b4 he killed that Anomaly thing right?

so if normal things cant kill anomalies then how coud he kill it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Add that to the fact he was killed later by a black hole. I have no idea why anyone thinks an anomaly is immune to the ig as it basically means they are immune to anything that could occur to them in reality by making this claim.

TBH tho, its true that Malestrom dint look scared at all on that panel 🤨 i mean if theres even small risk that Thanos gonna go all out on him, why take that risk?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, that's a casual blast. We see Thanos going all out later against Eternity and the abstracts. He was angry and blasted Maelstrom and was not killed. Thais is hardly proof of Thanos and the ig not being able to defeat him even though an avatar of Infinity did so.

The ig still has control over reality and reality still affected him at this point. The black hole later killed him did it not? His concentration and lack of confidence also did him in against Quasar.

I am not saying the ig doesn't have flaws but it still defeats Maelstrom in battle, hands down. Maelstrom at his peak in 616 was on par with Infinity while Thanos was above any abstract.

To me it looked to be much more than a 'casual blast', he looked mad. This is Thanos in his house at full power being insulted by a guy who was a virtual unknown to him. He wouldn't yell "Insolent speck!" and fire off a meh blast. It was an angry outburst, remember what happened the other time Thanos had an angry outburst with the Infinity Gauntlet? It sent shockwaves throughout the universe. He looked more animated in that shot against Maelstrom than he did in the blast he fired at the Celestials.

And for all the knowledge the Infinity Gems granted him, Thanos didn't know how Maelstrom came by his attributes?!

Infinity's power didn't defeat Maelstrom. Infinity's power merely matched Oblivion's power, they cancelled each other out. Maelstrom was defeated because Quasar was a greater anomaly.

^ Yeah, I think I can agree with that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you are saying that blast from Thanos was the best the ig can do? Let me ask you this, Do you think that blast would have defeated Eternity?

Ok, fine. The point is in the 616 universe he was still at his best equal to an avatar representing Infinity. In fact he was less than as his concentration cost him his life/power.

Thanos defeated all the abstracts personally by defeating them. If a black hole can destroy Maelstrom why can't the ig?

I think you're forgetting that Maelstrom himself created that special black hole. Rather convenient plot-device.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
maelstrom killed anomaly to usurp it's power, lets not forget that.

but before that how wuz he able to kill it? 🤨

Originally posted by K Von Doom
To me it looked to be much more than a 'casual blast', he looked mad. This is Thanos in his house at full power being insulted by a guy who was a virtual unknown to him. He wouldn't yell "Insolent speck!" and fire off a meh blast. It was an angry outburst, remember what happened the other time Thanos had an angry outburst with the Infinity Gauntlet? It sent shockwaves throughout the universe. He looked more animated in that shot against Maelstrom than he did in the blast he fired at the Celestials.

And for all the knowledge the Infinity Gems granted him, Thanos didn't know how Maelstrom came by his attributes?!

Infinity's power didn't defeat Maelstrom. Infinity's power merely matched Oblivion's power, they cancelled each other out. Maelstrom was defeated because Quasar was a greater anomaly.

Quasar was his peer. Quasar defeated him because Maelstrom lost his concentration/focus. Thanos would simply overpower any abstract like Eternity. He was a peer to none of them while Maelstrom was Qusar's peer as Oblivion's avatar.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yup

TBH tho, its true that Malestrom dint look scared at all on that panel 🤨 i mean if theres even small risk that Thanos gonna go all out on him, why take that risk?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah, I think I can agree with that.
If Maelstrom was unaffected by the IG's power, which all evidence points to, exerting more power wouldn't have done anything. So your question is irrelevant.

I think you're forgetting that Maelstrom himself created that special black hole. Rather convenient plot-device.

Thanos could do the exact same thing. The ig was the Plot device.
This argument is rather absurd. It's the same thing with Rulk and Thor. Thor's hammer didn't affect or rattle the Rulk until round 2. With this logic according to you he was immune to his hammer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wasn't really injured by one blast. That's hardly proof the ig can't affect him. If a black hole can defeat the guy why can't Thanos? Hmmmm?

Thanos could do the exact same thing. The ig was the Plot device.
This argument is rather absurd. It's the same thing with Rulk and Thor. Thor's hammer didn't affect or rattle the Rulk until round 2. With this logic according to you he was immune to his hammer.

With what proof are you asserting this? Certainly not with the on-panel instance where he doesn't affect Maelstrom at all. Certainly not with the on-panel instance where he doesn't understand and can't discern what makes Maelstrom's attributes special. Certainly not with the on-panel instance that things can operate outside of a an IG-wielder's influence. You're assuming your conclusion. Thanos only used a smidgeon of a power that would have destroyed him. Therefore, his full power would have destroyed him. You haven't proven a single thing of what you said. All you keep stating are your conclusions without any proof and in the face of what was plainly presented on-panel. If you want to be circular in your arguments, fine. You're entitled to your opinion, but you still haven't proven anything or rebutted any of my arguments.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think you're forgetting that Maelstrom himself created that special black hole. Hmmmm?

With what proof are you asserting this? Certainly not with the on-panel instance where he doesn't affect Maelstrom at all. Certainly not with the on-panel instance where he doesn't understand and can't discern what makes Maelstrom's attributes special. Certainly not with the on-panel instance that things can operate outside of a an IG-wielder's influence. You're assuming your conclusion. Thanos only used a smidgeon of a power that would have destroyed him. Therefore, his full power would have destroyed him. You haven't proven a single thing of what you said. All you keep stating are your conclusions without any proof and in the face of what was plainly presented on-panel. If you want to be circular in your arguments, fine. You're entitled to your opinion, but you still haven't proven anything or rebutted any of my arguments.

Much less has defeated Maelstrom. He was far less powerful when he confronted Thanos to boot. You are telling me a guy killed by a black hole can take anything someone with the ig can throw his way?

It's completely baseless and ridiculous considering what killed him and how he was mentally beaten by Quasar. He was also just a peer to abstracts not superior to them like Thanos was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who said I forgot it? The point is the ig can create basically anything and could recreate it.

Much less has defeated Maelstrom. He was far less powerful when he confronted Thanos to boot. You are telling me a guy killed by a black hole can take anything someone with the ig can throw his way?

It's completely baseless and ridiculous considering what killed him and how he was mentally beaten by Quasar. He was also just a peer to abstracts not superior to them like Thanos was.

See above.

Says you. Anomaly, when you consider all the evidence, is pretty special. IG, when you consider all the evidence, has its limits. And this is about as far off-topic as our argument should go since you continue to talk past me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're assuming so without proving it. IG has limitations when it comes to anomalies, a fact that's supported twice over on-panel.

See above.

Says you. Anomaly, when you consider all the evidence, is pretty special. IG, when you consider all the evidence, has its limits. And this is about as far off-topic as our argument should go since you continue to talk past me.

The reason Maelstrom was getting so powerful was due to him using Oblivion and then eventually overthrowing him. He wasn't all that just because he was the anomaly.

The ig has complete control over reality. Maelstrom was killed twice. by far less than what we saw the ig was capable of.

Originally posted by quanchi112
By your logic if a character is unphased by any old blast then it is completely immune despite it defying logic and all common sense.

The reason Maelstrom was getting so powerful was due to him using Oblivion and then eventually overthrowing him. He wasn't all that just because he was the anomaly.

The ig has complete control over reality. Maelstrom was killed twice. by far less than what we saw the ig was capable of.

Maelstrom's power had to do with a lot of things, but his immunity to the IG's power and status of being outside the IG's comprehension have more to do with his anomalous nature.

By Maelstrom's own doing. You've talked past me on just about every single point and are now starting to twist my words to fit your arguments. You can disagree, that's fine. But don't twist my words.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. Don't twist my arguments with your straw-manning. I already repeated several times what you fail to comprehend: Maelstrom appeared to be immune to the IG's effects. This is supported by Thanos being absolutely oblivious what happened and further bolstered by the IG's on-panel shortcomings. From the very beginning I've told you not to conflate the concept of casualness with that of impotence.

Maelstrom's power had to do with a lot of things, but his immunity to the IG's power and status of being outside the IG's comprehension have more to do with his anomalous nature.

By Maelstrom's own doing. You've talked past me on just about every single point and are now starting to twist my words to fit your arguments. You can disagree, that's fine. But don't twist my words.

Again, Maelstrom was far less than Infinity at this point as he didn't become the avatar of Oblivion at this point yet so iyo would he be immune to Infinity?

Tell me why can't Thanos create a giant black hole again? Please do so. Thanos has complete control of reality,space, time, etc. so please inform me why this feat id beyond him?

to try and steer this thread back to galactus and the nullifier, what do you guys think about oblivion himself compared to galactus?

(have to throw this in though)

the in-betweener is also imune to the gems as i've posted before, and adam warlock. both have been defeated, and adam has been subdued by an incomplete ig also. 😬

master order and lord chaos imprisoned and ...i guess punished him off panel in his nexus realm, thanos with the ig raped those two abstracts. *shrugs*

Originally posted by psycho gundam
to try and steer this thread back to galactus and the nullifier, what do you guys think about oblivion himself compared to galactus?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, no, no, no, and no. Not being aware doesn't mean you can survive the ig in combat. Tanking one blast also doesn't mean you can tank anything the ig can throw your way. Your logic is horrid.

Again, Maelstrom was far less than Infinity at this point as he didn't become the avatar of Oblivion at this point yet so iyo would he be immune to Infinity?

Tell me why can't Thanos create a giant black hole again? Please do so. Thanos has complete control of reality,space, time, etc. so please inform me why this feat id beyond him?

I never said not being aware means you survive the ig in combat. I never said tanking one blast means you can take everything the ig can throw your way.

For the love of jebus, read what I said. I'm arguing that the scene represents that Maelstrom isn't affected by the IG at all. This is bolstered by the fact that the IG has shortcomings, another of which was demonstrated as it applies to Maelstrom in that Thanos w/IG has no idea what happened, how it happened or even if it happened.

Your incessant wish to twist my words doesn't change the fact that all your arguments are completely inaposite to mine, i.e., you're not refuting anything of what I said. Not to mention your own interpretation of what happened isn't even supported by anything on-panel.

Thanos had complete awareness of reality, space and time, etc. Why couldn't he figure out what was going on? Go think hard on that one.