Originally posted by -Pr-It doesn't decide the battle at all. This boils down to two things really. If you are a superman fan speed kills. If you are a Thor guy then he has the skill set to tag Superman and the power to beat him.
i still don't see why that would put superman at a disadvantage, though.
I'm bored so I thought I'd break down the stats between them.
Strength - Toss up. Too close to call.
Durability - Superman's skin is harder to pierce but Thor has better damage soak in my opinion, and his Asgardian nature gives him ridiculous resistance to pain and ability to survive. Even in the most recent issue, Doom dissected a conscious Asgardian and took out his heart, and he said the Asgardian survived for a full 5 minutes as if, he would be perfectly fine if he were just to place it back.
Speed - Superman is obviously faster, and has superior movement. No competition. Thor's reaction and reflexes time will allow him to handle it though.
Power - Thor easily.
Versatility - Thor easily.
Experience - Thor is immortal (Comics > Handbooks.). Dude's so old his watched worlds die and Sun's explode. His been fighting while man was still shocked by fire.
Fighting Skill - Thor. Along with all of his impressive showings, a creation of his psyche the Valkyrie was going toe to toe with Gamora and beat Moondragon. Those guys are the cream of the crop in hand to hand combat. Superman is no slouch though as well. The showing of how he beat Ultraman and Superwoman like children shows how effectively he can use his learned skills and powers. Also him defeating the Kryptonian recently comes to mind.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm bored so I thought I'd break down the stats between them.Strength - Toss up. Too close to call.
Durability - If anything, Superman is harder to pierce but Thor has better damage soak, and his Asgardian nature adds him ridiculous resistance to damage. Even in the most recent issue, Doom dissected a conscious Asgardian and took out his heart, and he said the Asgardian survived for a full 5 minutes as if, he would be perfectly fine if he were just to place it back.
Speed - Superman is obviously faster, and has superior movement.
Power - Thor easily.
Versatility - Thor easily.
Experience - Thor is immortal (Comics > Handbooks.). Dude's so old his watched worlds die and Sun's explode. His been fighting while man was still shocked by fire.
Fighting Skill - Thor. Along with all of his impressive showings, a creation of his psyche the Valkyrie was going toe to toe with Gamora and beat Moondragon. Those guys are the cream of the crop in hand to hand combat. Superman is no slouch though as well. The showing of how he beat Ultraman and Superwoman like children shows how effectively he can use his learned skills and powers. Also him defeating the Kryptonian recently comes to mind.
In particular why?
Thor's fighting skill is no where near as flashy as pressure points, but still effective. He doesn't show as much recently, but back in the day, his fighting skill use to be his most used trait along with his speed more than likely in brawls. Shit, it's so effective while powerless he took down a Class 50 (Grogg the God Crusher.).
And the instances from Blood and Thunder which are pretty ridiculous.
No one is saying Superman isn't good. His actually a very skilled fighter when he has to be. Thor's just shown to be more formidable in that department when needed from what I've seen.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In particular why?Thor's fighting skill is no where near as flashy as pressure points, but still effective. He doesn't show as much recently, but back in the day, his fighting skill use to be his most used trait along with his speed more than likely in brawls. Shit, it's so effective while powerless he took down a Class 50 (Grogg the God Crusher.).
And the instances from Blood and Thunder which are pretty ridiculous.
No one is saying Superman isn't good. His actually a very skilled fighter when he has to be. Thor's just shown to be more formidable in that department when needed from what I've seen.
Yes, he did beat Grogg(never seen it, but I know you tell the truth), but you've seen Superman beat down on the same characters that are his power levels like babies; not because of his fighting skills alone, but his ability to understand his opponents moves, and fighting ability after only a seconds of fighting them.
He was also taught by Batman, and WW.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't decide the battle at all. This boils down to two things really. If you are a superman fan speed kills. If you are a Thor guy then he has the skill set to tag Superman and the power to beat him.
lol, i disagree again, but i feel like that's all i'm gonna do lol...
^That.......that was just weak.
facepalm
It deserved a face palm.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yes, he did beat Grogg(never seen it, but I know you tell the truth), but you've seen Superman beat down on the same characters that are his power levels like babies; not because of his fighting skills alone, but his ability to understand his opponents moves, and fighting ability after only a seconds of fighting them.He was also taught by Batman, and WW.
Posted the fight with Grogg in the respect thread if you want to check it out. Or I can post it here, if you want. Anyways...
When has beaten down characters in his power level like babies? The time with Ultraman comes to mind but their were circumstances were there not? The merging of his, Diana and Bruce's personalities.
If you are referring to the fight with the Kryptonian, they might have his power but no where near the experience or skill needed to use it. I'd be shocked if Superman didn't defeat them.
Other than that, I can't think of any other instance.
Don't know what you're really talking about. You mean his ability to adapt to his opponent and fight accordingly? A lot of skilled fighters can do so. Experience helps a lot in this part of fighting.
^That.......that was just weak. It deserved a face palm.
Posted the fight with Grogg in the respect thread if you want to check it out. Or I can post it here, if you want. Anyways... When has beaten down characters in his power level like babies? The time with Ultraman comes to mind but their were circumstances were there not? The merging of his, Diana and Bruce's personalities. If you are referring to the fight with the Kryptonian, they might have his power but no where near the experience or skill needed to use it. I'd be shocked if Superman didn't defeat them. Other than that, I can't think of any other instance. Don't know what you're really talking about. You mean his ability to adapt to his opponent and fight accordingly? A lot of skilled fighters can do so. Experience helps a lot in this part of fighting.
^Where did show that?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
It deserves more then 1
facepalm
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I am specifically talking about the Kryptonian guy he beat up. Yes, it's expected for him to beat him, but what's really impressive is how he accomplishes this. He does it with little effort. He allowed himself to get hit just so he can understand his opponents moves. What's interesting, is that he read him and understood him after getting punched no more then 4 times.
Read him and understood them?
The guy hit Superman about 3 times, and Clark says his shown him his entire catalogue/repertoire. The dude had absolutely no experience in comparison to Clark. It doesn't take a genius to figure, his main method would be to punch Clark really hard.
There's also the fact that the guy hasn't shown he has any hand to hand skills besides doing a flip kick and he can fly. And the fact that his shown all his methods of attacking in 3 attacks and a blast of heat vision, doesn't really help his case.
Doesn't impress me really. All it does is show that Clark has superior experience and hand to hand skills, to a New Kryptonian.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Where did show that?facepalm
Read him and understood them?
The guy hit Superman about 3 times, and Clark says his shown him his entire catalogue/repertoire. The dude had absolutely no experience in comparison to Clark. It doesn't take a genius to figure, his main method would be to punch Clark really hard.
There's also the fact that the guy hasn't shown he has any hand to hand skills besides doing a flip kick and he can fly. And the fact that his shown all his methods of attacking in 3 attacks and a blast of heat vision, doesn't really help his case.
Doesn't impress me really. All it does is show that Clark has superior experience and hand to hand skills, to a New Kryptonian.
Btw, I think it really a wek argument to say that all he was doing was punching. That's what Superman, Thor, Brb, and everyone else does it. You can't tell because it only pictures and no motion there.
We'll finish this tomorrow, Sleep, I must!
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Actually, the Kryptonian is a general(or captain). I am sure he knows more then a few punches.Btw, I think it really a wek argument to say that all he was doing was punching. That's what Superman, Thor, Brb, and everyone else does it. You can't tell because it only pictures and no motion there.
We'll finish this tomorrow, Sleep, I must!
Clark said he showed him his entire catalogue in 4 attacks. He just got his Kryptonian powers, I doubt he knows more than the basics. He can hit things hard, shoot heat out of his eyes, and fly fast.
What? I meant in regards to experience in comparison to Clark. His limited in that manner. Clark's own statements back that up. I mean Thor's main choice of fighting is brawling, his just extremely skilled at it and formidable.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Most of those were a result of him using his powers effectively. If he uses his speed, bricks shouldn't touch him, and that's what happens when he pours it on.When did he toy with Diana? Don't recall it and too lazy to check the arc. Post the scans.
why wouldn't he use his powers effectively in this fight though?
post the scans PLEASE.
Originally posted by -Pr-
why wouldn't he use his powers effectively in this fight though?post the scans PLEASE.
He would. I never said he wouldn't. Thor just has capabilities that some of those beings don't have. Different levels of speed, durability, enough reflexes to handle his speed, and shit like being able to actualy ability hit beings, intangible or not.
Lesser man say please lol. Also, didn't we already have this discussion? Anyways, "Thank You" Raoul.
If we ever have a mod of the year competition, I'll vote for you. Sorry Bada.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh I remember this. It's one of the few arcs I have in a trade instead of a single issue.
The back hand was just AWESOME. Man, whenever Diana's starts preaching in a comic, I just want someone to do that to her. She's one of the most hypocritical characters in comics if not the most hypocritical at times. Seriously, sometimes she just pisses me off.
Superman certainly showed that he was a step above her in travel speed and strength. That was definitely an impressive stat and formidably showing, but not a skill showing. It's nothing we didn't know already.
The fact that Thor's been able to keep up with Captain America, beat down Class 50's etc. when powerless, and have a creation of his psyche go toe to toe with Gamora and defeat Moondragon is enough.
To top that, you'd have to have a powerless Superman do something like beat Batman or Karate Kid in a fight.
