Greatest Lightsaber Duelist

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I don't think that Yoda > Luke in sabers

I do, Luke nearly lost to Caedus in a lightsaber duel. Yoda has hundreds of years of dueling experience and has never lost a lightsaber duel to my knowledge. He was taking it to Darth Tyranus on two separate occasions, one when Tyranus was on Vjun, which amped his power greatly. And against Darth Sidious he was clearly the better saberist, (every saber lock Sidioius is grunting and moaning, eventually Sidious must realize that Yoda is too good, as the rest of the battle he is running from Yoda, (not to mention the fact that you never see Sidious's saber again after he leaves the initial dueling pod).

Originally posted by wolfpack86
I do, Luke nearly lost to Caedus in a lightsaber duel. Yoda has hundreds of years of dueling experience and has never lost a lightsaber duel to my knowledge. He was taking it to Darth Tyranus on two separate occasions, one when Tyranus was on Vjun, which amped his power greatly. And against Darth Sidious he was clearly the better saberist, (every saber lock Sidioius is grunting and moaning, eventually Sidious must realize that Yoda is too good, as the rest of the battle he is running from Yoda, (not to mention the fact that you never see Sidious's saber again after he leaves the initial dueling pod).

translation:

Just because Yoda never lost to Dooku, doesn't mean Yoda>>Luke.

You hear what I'm saying, yo?

Oh and there's no evidence that Yoda disarmed Sidious, just as there's no evidence that Yoda didn't disarm Sidious. It's all speculation. To my knowledge.

wolfpack, where the hell did luke "almost lose" a lightsaber duel with Caedus? I sure hope you aren't referring to their fight on-board the invisible hand, because then you would be totally wrong.

Good luck proving your point though.

Originally posted by Gideon
In random order:

Anoon Bondara
Sora Bulq
Qui-Gon Jinn
Luke Skywalker
The Emperor
Mace Windu
Darth Maul
Count Dooku
Yoda
Kas'im
Grievous
Darth Vader
Exar Kun
Ulic Qel Droma

Still too stubborn to add Obi-Wan or Anakin Skywalker I see, unless you meant Anakin by saying Darth Vader.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ummm, just because Bob never lost to Ted, doesn't mean Bob>>Joe.

translation:

Just because Yoda never lost to Dooku, doesn't mean Yoda>>Luke.

You hear what I'm saying, yo?

Oh and there's no evidence that Yoda disarmed Sidious, just as there's no evidence that Yoda didn't disarm Sidious. It's all speculation. To my knowledge.

Yeah, I realize all that, it just seems to me that Luke had to struggle mightily with Caedus, and the battle ended in a virtual stalemate. (That's not to say that Caedus is insignificant at all). Yoda on the other hand, seemed to be, you could almost say tooling some of the greatest saber dueling incarnations ever (Tyranus on Vjun and Darth Sidious). IMO Yoda's saber dueling feats are just better than what Luke was shown capable of. That's why I have Yoda as #1

Caedus was stated to be "greater than his grandfather" who was "80% of Sidious" so for all we know Caedus could be 100% the power of Sidious or 81% of him we don't exactly have a chart for power levels. Though I do know, Bandon:

Funny:

If person A (who is highly regarded) almost loses/loses to person B (who isn't all that highly regarded) either both or one of the following happens:

They use B as the benchmark and say "oh since A lost to B that means that he's very bad because B isn't that good!"

And/or

They use A as the benchmark and say "oh since A lost to B and A is very good that must mean that B is very good!"

In this case, Luke having trouble with Caedus is either a good feat for Caedus or a bad feat for Luke...

Oh, and Caedus might be better than Dooku in sabers, so Yoda beating Dooku doesn't mean much...

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Funny:

If person A (who is highly regarded) almost loses/loses to person B (who isn't all that highly regarded) either both or one of the following happens:

They use B as the benchmark and say "oh since A lost to B that means that he's very bad because B isn't that good!"

And/or

They use A as the benchmark and say "oh since A lost to B and A is very good that must mean that B is very good!"

In this case, Luke having trouble with Caedus is either a good feat for Caedus or a bad feat for Luke...

Oh, and Caedus might be better than Dooku in sabers, so Yoda beating Dooku doesn't mean much...

Originally posted by wolfpack86
Yeah, I realize all that, it just seems to me that Luke had to struggle mightily with Caedus, and the battle ended in a virtual stalemate. (That's not to say that Caedus is insignificant at all). Yoda on the other hand, seemed to be, you could almost say tooling some of the greatest saber dueling incarnations ever (Tyranus on Vjun and Darth Sidious). IMO Yoda's saber dueling feats are just better than what Luke was shown capable of. That's why I have Yoda as #1

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You're comparing an apple to a celery stalk. Yoda's victories over Dooku and possible disarming of Palpatine have NO correlation to Luke and Caedus' duel. They're not related. At all.

The question is who's the better lightsaber duelist, IMO Yoda's "showings" are above Luke's, take what you will from that.

Originally posted by mattatom
I think it's the fact he mentioned Dooku was on Vjun therefore extra power from the planet.

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Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Funny:

If person A (who is highly regarded) almost loses/loses to person B (who isn't all that highly regarded) either both or one of the following happens:

They use B as the benchmark and say "oh since A lost to B that means that he's very bad because B isn't that good!"

And/or

They use A as the benchmark and say "oh since A lost to B and A is very good that must mean that B is very good!"

In this case, Luke having trouble with Caedus is either a good feat for Caedus or a bad feat for Luke...

Oh, and Caedus might be better than Dooku in sabers, so Yoda beating Dooku doesn't mean much...

It is "possible" Caedus was better than Dooku in sabers, but when you cosider quotes about Dooku such as... "he was one of the greatest jedi in 25,000 year history of the jedi order, and an even greater sith lord" and when you consider he was on Vjun, which greatly amped his power, which is noted by quotes such as this... "The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking, among the other jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground, but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible wickedness cut in red light."

This obviously shows that Dooku was being amped by the planet, and it also goes to say that even Mace Windu would not have been able to match Dooku on Vjun. IMO Yoda taking it to Dooku on Vjun is one of the greatest saberist showings ever. What I'm saying is, I think that Dooku on Vjun, would at the very least be very close to Caedus in sabers, if not beyond.

yeah yeah yeah, darth maul was a savage, dooku was skilled...but anakin was a mother****ing monster

anakins right arm didnt havehuman mobility but that didnt stop an entire temple of armed jedi from shitting themselves before anakin slaughtered em faster than the 501st infantry

obi-wan didnt want to die so he ran away from anakin and disabled the mother****er in mid-air, that wasnt fair cause anakin never got his top-rail-movement back

Anakin was only a "monster" when he gave into his rage. Which he did twice, notably. Against Dooku, and agains tObi Wan, it mad ehim cocky so Obi Wan, dismembere dhim served the poor mucker right. Like to point out "entire temple of armed jedi" if your including younglings here i'll give you that, but i'd like to point out the majority of jedi knights/masters were in the Grand Army of the Republic, Anakin killed younglings, Drallig and his apprentice because he was stronger in the Force.

um... nobody bothers to point out the obvious that the Luke, Caedus fight WAS NOT almost a stalemate.

Originally posted by truejedi
um... nobody bothers to point out the obvious that the Luke, Caedus fight WAS NOT almost a stalemate.

The reality is Ben had to come to Luke's aid by stabbing Caedus in the back, had he not Luke likely would have died.

actually, no.
wolfpack, meet reality:

from Inferno, pg. 266.

"Luke had beaten him. Luke had just kept coming despite his injuries. He had inflicted more damage on Caedus than he had suffered himself, and he had even escaped the garrote before Ben struck. In fact, it was probably that attack that had saved Caedus's life. Nothing else could have shocked Luke out of his battle rage--only the sight of Ben slipping so far to the dark side.

It was a memory that both frightened Caedus and burned his pride, but it was one that he would have to contemplate at length."

Omnipotent narrator says that Ben saved Caedus's life by stabbing him in the back.

Your move.

Originally posted by truejedi
actually, no.
wolfpack, meet reality:

Omnipotent narrator says that Ben saved Caedus's life by stabbing him in the back.

Your move.

O.K. I forgot exactly how it was worded, either way your quote proves that Luke had sustained "injuries" in his duel with Caedus, so it was at the very least a close duel, or else Luke would not have sustained any injuries.

Very nice, but what does the Luke/Caedus duel have to do with the Yoda/Dooku duel?

the part where he said Luke and Caedus fought to a stalemate. which was lies. (which is what was being discusses before you barged in and INTERRUPTED us with your yoda/dooku babble! 😠 )

just kidding lucien, love you long time.

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