Greatest Lightsaber Duelist

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Very nice, but what does the Luke/Caedus duel have to do with the Yoda/Dooku duel?

I guess a person needs to ask themselves a few questions like...

1) How good do you think Caedus was?
2) How much better do you think Luke was than Caedus?
3) Do you think that Caedus could have beaten Dooku on Vjun?
4) Do you think that Caedus could have beaten Mace Windu?

If your answers to either 3 or 4 is no, then you can at least somewhat gauge where Luke and Caedus are in terms of lightsaber prowess.

Originally posted by wolfpack86
I guess a person needs to ask themselves a few questions like...

1) How good do you think Caedus was?
2) How much better do you think Luke was than Caedus?
3) Do you think that Caedus could have beaten Dooku on Vjun?
4) Do you think that Caedus could have beaten Mace Windu?

If your answers to either 3 or 4 is no, then you can at least somewhat gauge where Luke and Caedus are in terms of lightsaber prowess.

Originally posted by truejedi
the part where he said Luke and Caedus fought to a stalemate. which was lies. (which is what was being discusses before you barged in and INTERRUPTED us with your yoda/dooku babble! 😠 )

just kidding lucien, love you long time.

😇

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Actually, none of that is helpful to us. As someone (Beefy I think) pointed out recently, we're a forum of fact-finders, not opinionaters. In specific regards to lightsaber combat, using Yoda's victories over Dooku as a measurement in which to gauge Yoda's skills in regards to LotF Luke's, is complete speculation, and, if pushed as fact, it's also baloney.

I also did. A lot of times.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Actually, none of that is helpful to us. As someone (Beefy I think) pointed out recently, we're a forum of fact-finders, not opinionaters. In specific regards to lightsaber combat, using Yoda's victories over Dooku as a measurement in which to gauge Yoda's skills in regards to LotF Luke's, is complete speculation, and, if pushed as fact, it's also baloney.

Well in that case, their isn't much to go on to determine just how good the jedi from the NJO are, but Lucas himself said that he centered the movies around the most powerful jedi to ever exist. So IMO I would have to say that someone the likes of Mace Windu or Darth Tyranus, would be just as powerful as someone like Darth Caedus, if not more so.

Stop saying "in my opinion". It's weird to say in the Versus Forum section.

Originally posted by truejedi
actually, no.
wolfpack, meet reality:

Omnipotent narrator says that Ben saved Caedus's life by stabbing him in the back.

Your move.

Not to split hairs, but I believe that the LOTF and most other SW series are written in 3rd person limited, NOT 3rd person omniscient.

Originally posted by wolfpack86
Well in that case, their isn't much to go on to determine just how good the jedi from the NJO are, but Lucas himself said that he centered the movies around the most powerful jedi to ever exist. So IMO I would have to say that someone the likes of Mace Windu or Darth Tyranus, would be just as powerful as someone like Darth Caedus, if not more so.

DE Palpatine was Palpatine at his most powerful, and in a saber duel, Luke beat him (with a little help from his sister). He actually fought Palpatine on a level hovering around the Emperor's abilities. That was like 11 ABY. Jump forward to 40 ABY. Ka-kow.

And yes, please, enough with the IMO.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Well using a bit of A>B>C:

DE Palpatine was Palpatine at his most powerful, and in a saber duel, Luke beat him (with a little help from his sister). He actually fought Palpatine on a level hovering around the Emperor's abilities. That was like 11 ABY. Jump forward to 40 ABY. Ka-kow.

And yes, please, enough with the IMO.

First off, everyone is giving an opinion, regardless of what a person says, their still going to say what "they think" to be the case, based on "their viewpoint". I'm just stating "IMO" so that people don't think that I think my opinion is the end all be all.

And I doubt that Luke in 40 ABY is much more powerful than Luke in 11 ABY, that's like saying ROTS Obi-Wan is vastly less powerful than ANH Obi-Wan, I just don't see it.

except luke has been through several galaxy wide conflicts and killed dozens and dozens and dozens of enemies with his lightsaber, sparred with other Jedi masters, and developed new lightsaber techniques, while ANH Kenobi hid on tatooine.

I see quite a difference in the two situations.

Originally posted by truejedi
except luke has been through several galaxy wide conflicts and killed dozens and dozens and dozens of enemies with his lightsaber, sparred with other Jedi masters, and developed new lightsaber techniques, while ANH Kenobi hid on tatooine.

I see quite a difference in the two situations.

So just because you kill a bunch of people and do some sparring that means you become vastly more powerful? So I suppose that's what happened to ANH Kenobi, he didn't do anything and so he became less powerful? By that logic I suppose Palpatine became far less powerful by the time ROTS rolled around, being as he wasn't able to kill too many people or have very many sparring matches?

um.. experience obviously breeds skill. DOes that even really need defending? so if your question was genuine, i simply say

yes.

Originally posted by truejedi
um.. experience obviously breeds skill. DOes that even really need defending? so if your question was genuine, i simply say

yes.

O.K. my question to you is, how much more powerful percentage wise do "you think" 😉 Luke is in 40 ABY in contrast to 11 ABY?

Originally posted by wolfpack86
O.K. my question to you is, how much more powerful percentage wise do "you think" 😉 Luke is in 40 ABY in contrast to 11 ABY?

Originally posted by wolfpack86
O.K. my question to you is, how much more powerful percentage wise do "you think" 😉 Luke is in 40 ABY in contrast to 11 ABY?

considering he has gone from 10 years of experience to 40 as a jedi (400 percent increase in years of training)

I'd say at least 100 to 150 percent. At least. All we have to back something like that up are feats, and his feats have increased by a ridiculous magnitude at this point..

Originally posted by truejedi
considering he has gone from 10 years of experience to 40 as a jedi (400 percent increase in years of training)

I'd say at least 100 to 150 percent. At least. All we have to back something like that up are feats, and his feats have increased by a ridiculous magnitude at this point..

So let me ask you a second question, why do you think Luke is twice as powerful, (and just so we don't get confused, being powerful doesn't equal uber lightsaber skills) where is the "proof" that Luke is twice the saberist he was in 11 ABY?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
By 43 ABY Luke could teleport things and "instakill" beings via Electric Judgement. During the final battle with Shimrra Luke was described as looking like he was wielding 20 blades against the Vong. He didn't have that stuff in 11 ABY.

Mace Windu was described as being invisible, 20 blades doesn't seem that impressive.

Originally posted by wolfpack86
Mace Windu was described as being invisible, 20 blades doesn't seem that impressive.

Leia and unborn Anakin's influence on Luke's victory seemed to be more of an asset than people realize. Not too much earlier, Sidious destroyed Luke in a lightsaber duel.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
By 43 ABY Luke could teleport things and "instakill" beings via Electric Judgement. During the final battle with Shimrra Luke was described as looking like he was wielding 20 blades against the Vong. He didn't have that stuff in 11 ABY.

In regards to luke being better at saber combat than Windu; Mace was descibed in the RoTS novel as "dozens of blades attacking from every angle" Dozens > 20. So, while Luke is an impressive duelist, he is by no means the greatest or even one of the greatest ever, relative to the likes of Yoda, Mace, and Sidious.