Originally posted by dadudemonAKA "NAH AH IM RYTE UR WRONG!"
This is the Anime versus forum.I'm right.
Deal with it.
Edit - Unless the thread starter says the anime can't be used...it's applicable.
You were wrong, in canon, it was never said, the manga is the original and only canon source, and in this case the anime even contradicts the manga, not even counting the fact that it was hyperbole.
Originally posted by dadudemonThere's a large chance..it's not even right for the anime. Using the English version to prove a point doesn't really work as Funimation/Ocean has a tendency to change stuff. Bardock being a genius, Over 9000, Light Speed to dodge Special Beam Cannon, Goten wishing for Gokou to be back to defeat Broli.
For the anime, it's right. Also, it was said.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c329/14.html Freeza is the strongest.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c327/7.html Freeza is the strongest.
Then, Tien says Goku is the strongest. Then, King Kai says that Goku won't be the strongest for long:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c328/2.html
Why would King Kai say that if Freeza's father was stronger than freeza? (Goku, for a while there, was about dead even with 100% Freeza, but Freeza got worn out in his 100% power state.)
Also, a way to explain Tien's statement about Freeza's father having greater ki: Freeza was mostly machine, at that point. Remember, the androids ki could not be sensed as they weren't organic. So, Freeza, being mostly machine, was not sensed as being stronger than his father, yet was supposed to be much stronger than before.
That would explain why, repeatedly, Freeza was called the strongest in the universe.
So, does that mean I win?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Indeed.It's probably the manly scar.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why would King Kai say that if Freeza's father was stronger than freeza?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, a way to explain Tien's statement about Freeza's father having greater ki: Freeza was mostly machine, at that point.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So, does that mean I win?
Originally posted by dadudemon
It doesn't matter. Me not recalling it properly doesn't mean it wasn't said. That's just me not remembering who said what, properly.
It matters a lot actually. If King Cold had said it himself, it would've been almost irrefutable, at least going by the anime. Some random saying it however, is a different thing altogether.
Also, you made an assertive claim that "King Cold himself" said it, so you weren't "right".
On another note, does Freiza have a mother, or are they a bunch of homos? 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemonBoth arrogant claims by Freeza, one of which took place before King Cold was ever going to be created and he said it directly in the face of proof Goku is stronger.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c329/14.html Freeza is the strongest.http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c327/7.html Freeza is the strongest.
Then, Tien says Goku is the strongest. Then, King Kai says that Goku won't be the strongest for long:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c328/2.html
Why would King Kai say that if Freeza's father was stronger than freeza? (Goku, for a while there, was about dead even with 100% Freeza, but Freeza got worn out in his 100% power state.)
Also, a way to explain Tien's statement about Freeza's father having greater ki: Freeza was mostly machine, at that point. Remember, the androids ki could not be sensed as they weren't organic. So, Freeza, being mostly machine, was not sensed as being stronger than his father, yet was supposed to be much stronger than before.
That would explain why, repeatedly, Freeza was called the strongest in the universe.
So, does that mean I win?
Once again, King Kai said that before King Cold was ever gonna be created, Akira Toriyama originally wanted to end the series after Freeza's defeat. Also, Goku was never even with him, he was not going full-out, SSJ Goku's power level was 150,000,000, compared to Freeza 100%'s 120,000,000.
Funny, Vegeta remarks his Ki is in fact stronger than before, and the reason why androids are like that is because, you guessed it, they don't actually have any Ki. You can't prove Freeza and the androids are the same way.
Yeah each time was before King Cold was created and only once after, by Freeza himself, who always says arrogant shit like that even when proven wrong.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Both arrogant claims by Freeza, one of which took place before King Cold was ever going to be created and he said it directly in the face of proof Goku is stronger.
Your opinion means nothing when it was said. If Freeza wasn't the most powerful because his father was stronger, then why did he say it so many times? Don't you think his father would have a little something to say about it? His father was a manipulative-cold bastard himself.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Once again, King Kai said that before King Cold was ever gonna be created, Akira Toriyama originally wanted to end the series after Freeza's defeat. Also, Goku was never even with him, he was not going full-out, SSJ Goku's power level was 150,000,000, compared to Freeza 100%'s 120,000,000.
Really, your thoughts on this are irrelevant. We go from Toriyama having Freeza stated numerous times by both himself and others(the two I found were very quickly found and in very short time, no less) as the most powerful in the Universe to King Cold ONLY being said to have greater Ki than Freeza. That's it. Not more powerful, just greater Ki.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Funny, Vegeta remarks his Ki is in fact stronger than before, and the reason why androids are like that is because, you guessed it, they don't actually have any Ki. You can't prove Freeza and the androids are the same way.
Nice try, but major fail.
Ki comes from organic life. Freeza got "greater power leves" than he has ever had after the upgrades. He was the strongest in the universe before, and now he's much stronger. It only makes sense that his Ki is diminished to the point that his weaker father would have stronger Ki due to most of his body being Cybernetic and portions of his energy are artificially generated.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah each time was before King Cold was created and only once after, by Freeza himself, who always says arrogant shit like that even when proven wrong.
Yeah, nice try. But why would Toriyama go from having it stated, over and over again, by Freeza and other characters, that Freeza was the strongest in the Universe, and then, all of a sudden, he's not? Oh, right, you're wrong.
But, again, your thoughts on this are irrelevant. I proved it. My proof>>>>>than yours. Seems like you're just misinterpreting Tien's comment. You can pretend that King Cold was stronger. But, this is a closed book. No additional proof is required.
Originally posted by Placidity
It matters a lot actually. If King Cold had said it himself, it would've been almost irrefutable, at least going by the anime. Some random saying it however, is a different thing altogether.
Right, cause the "some random guy" saying it directly to King Cold himself makes a huge difference. Oh, wait, it doesn't. In fact, that insignificant character saying that directly to King Cold's face would have gotten him vaporized instantly if it weren't true.
Originally posted by Placidity
Also, you made an assertive claim that "King Cold himself" said it, so you weren't "right".
We've been over this. You're wasting space.
Originally posted by Placidity
On another note, does Freiza have a mother, or are they a bunch of homos? 🙂
Freeza said "parents".
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Because King Kai (at the time) didn't know about Frieza's father, as an indirect cause of the fact Toriyama had originally planned to end the series after the Namek saga. King Cold and the characters after him weren't thought up of until later.
Point fail. Toriyama was most certainly aware of it, though. You're painting Toriyama as being such a complete idiot that he can't even remember a character he created.
And, again, that point doesn't matter at all. It has no place. Freeza was stated by himself and others as the strongest in the Universe. Pretending that King Kai isn't aware of such a large powerful being is rediculous. King Cold, plain and simple, is not as strong as Freeza.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Not quite.
Freeza was the most powerful in the Universe. This is not debatable. The most credible character to make that easement said it himself: King Kai. I did win. Every last person that wants to King Cold to be stronger than Freeza, is clearly wrong. There can't be any more evidence that can get any clearer than what I provided.
It actually astounds me that people are debating this after I posted what I did. You guys can't get any more incorrect. Both the Anime and the manga agree with me. The only thing any of you have is a small snippit from Tien that doesn't do anything by act as hyperbole that really means nothing.