Freiza's entire empire vs Freiza

Originally posted by dadudemon

Freeza was the most powerful in the Universe. This is not debatable. The most credible character to make that easement said it himself: King Kai. I did win. Every last person that wants to be right, is clearly wrong. There can't be any more evidence that can get any clearer.

SSJ Goku was probably the most powerful being in the known universe as of that time, but if you count characters that don't come in until later than Dabura or Pikkon (if you count dead guys, and if he was dead by then, which I think he was), although he's probably weaker than Dabura.

Or, if you want to get very technical, Buu was still there, albeit sealed, so yeah Buu was the strongest.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
SSJ Goku was probably the most powerful being in the known universe as of that time, but if you count characters that don't come in until later than Dabura or Pikkon (if you count dead guys, and if he was dead by then, which I think he was), although he's probably weaker than Dabura.

Or, if you want to get very technical, Buu was still there, albeit sealed, so yeah Buu was the strongest.

Most active in the real world. The after life is a different universe/plane of existance.

Dabura was also from a different Universe. Buu was powerless, if you want to get technical. He was completely useless and required some infusion of Ki to be revived. Also, King Kai wasn't aware of Buu. If you ask the King Cold fanboys here, they'll tell you it's beacuse Toriyama hadn't created him yet. 😬

Edit - SSJ Goku did not exist until the end there, for Freeza. Before SSJ GOku, Freeza really was the strongest in the Universe. King Kai agrees with me. lol

Dadudemon, I go get rather tired of holding your hand through these arguments. Can you respond with something other than a big "nah ah" next time you post?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Your opinion means nothing when it was said. If Freeza wasn't the most powerful because his father was stronger, then why did he say it so many times? Don't you think his father would have a little something to say about it? His father was a manipulative-cold bastard himself.

Really, your thoughts on this are irrelevant. We go from Toriyama having Freeza stated numerous times by both himself and others(the two I found were very quickly found and in very short time, no less) as the most powerful in the Universe to King Cold ONLY being said to have greater Ki than Freeza. That's it. Not more powerful, just greater Ki.

Nice try, but major fail.

Ki comes from organic life. Freeza got "greater power leves" than he has ever had after the upgrades. He was the strongest in the universe before, and now he's much stronger. It only makes sense that his Ki is diminished to the point that his weaker father would have stronger Ki due to most of his body being Cybernetic and portions of his energy are artificially generated.

Yeah, nice try. But why would Toriyama go from having it stated, over and over again, by Freeza and other characters, that Freeza was the strongest in the Universe, and then, all of a sudden, he's not? Oh, right, you're wrong.

But, again, your thoughts on this are irrelevant. I proved it. My proof>>>>>than yours. Seems like you're just misinterpreting Tien's comment. You can pretend that King Cold was stronger. But, this is a closed book. No additional proof is required.

2. Ki is the source of EVERY fighter's power in DBZ, if you are not even aware of that than get the hell out of this thread, because you clearly do not know what you are talking about. EVERY time it was said, it was by Freeza or people who were not aware of anyone stronger.

3. No it doesn't, prove that. Technically, Androids DO have Ki, it is just an unnatural form, Android 16-18 have Ki as evidenced by their ability to manipulate it, 18 using Destructo Disk also proves that they can learn to use their ki differently. Those cybernetic parts apparently increased his power level, his level of ki, so yes, you in fact CAN notice the difference, and the ki they "generate" is visible to those who can sense it, otherwise their would be no noticeable difference. You are wrong, get over yourself.

4. Freeza alone stated it. Freeza's arrogant delusional claims are not fact, Tien's observation of Freeza's and his father's power levels is fact.

5. You haven't proved a damn thing, in fact, King Kai in the scan you posted did not state Freeza was the strongest in the universe...He said Goku was, and Goku is stronger than Freeza. Goku is also stronger than King Cold. So yeah. Your proof is fallacious.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Dadudemon, I go get rather tired of holding your hand through these arguments. Can you respond with something other than a big "nah ah" next time you post?

1. Because he is an arrogant prick? Freeza outright claimed he is the strongest in the universe...After losing to Goku. He is not basing his claims on factual information, but his inflated ego.

2. Ki is the source of EVERY fighter's power in DBZ, if you are not even aware of that than get the hell out of this thread, because you clearly do not know what you are talking about. EVERY time it was said, it was by Freeza or people who were not aware of anyone stronger.

3. No it doesn't, prove that. Technically, Androids DO have Ki, it is just an unnatural form, Android 16-18 have Ki as evidenced by their ability to manipulate it, 18 using Destructo Disk also proves that they can learn to use their ki differently. Those cybernetic parts apparently increased his power level, his level of ki, so yes, you in fact CAN notice the difference, and the ki they "generate" is visible to those who can sense it, otherwise their would be no noticeable difference. You are wrong, get over yourself.

4. Freeza alone stated it. Freeza's arrogant delusional claims are not fact, Tien's observation of Freeza's and his father's power levels is fact.

5. You haven't proved a damn thing, in fact, King Kai in the scan you posted did not state Freeza was the strongest in the universe...He said Goku was, and Goku is stronger than Freeza. Goku is also stronger than King Cold. So yeah. Your proof is fallacious.

Serioulsy, STFU about it.

You're wrong.

Deal with it.

I accept your concession.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Right, cause the "some random guy" saying it directly to King Cold himself makes a huge difference. Oh, wait, it doesn't. In fact, that insignificant character saying that directly to King Cold's face would have gotten him vaporized instantly if it weren't true.

Um no it does make big difference as I explained. You aren't very smart if you don't see a difference between King Cold saying something that concerns HIMSELF or someone "insignificant" (as you put i) saying it.

But no, I'm sure you aren't THAT stupid, you just have too large an ego to admit it.

Originally posted by dadudemon

We've been over this. You're wasting space.

Yup, and you made a statement that was INCORRECT. Deal with it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Serioulsy, STFU about it.

I'm wrong, but I'm too egotistical to admit it.

Deal with it.

👆

Originally posted by Placidity
Um no it does make big difference as I explained. You aren't very smart if you don't see a difference between King Cold saying something that concerns HIMSELF or someone "insignificant" (as you put i) saying it.

But no, I'm sure you aren't THAT stupid, you just have too large an ego to admit it.

I read your damn post. Stop pretending it's some earth shattering revelation. You aren't very smart if you don't see the difference betwen King Cold saying it and an underling saying to King Cold's face.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yup, and you made a statement that was INCORRECT. Deal with it.

We've been over this already. Get over it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I accept your concession.

I was right. Just about everyone else was wrong. It feels nice to pwn more than one person at once. This is the internetz....serious business.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If Freeza wasn't the most powerful because his father was stronger, then why did he say it so many times? Don't you think his father would have a little something to say about it?

Also...

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well to answer the one when he said it on Namek, may I ask that if you knew only your father was stronger than you then would you say "I'm the second strongest in the world?"

Originally posted by dadudemon
Seems like you're just misinterpreting Tien's comment. You can pretend that King Cold was stronger.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Right, cause the "some random guy" saying it directly to King Cold himself makes a huge difference. Oh, wait, it doesn't. In fact, that insignificant character saying that directly to King Cold's face would have gotten him vaporized instantly if it weren't true.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Point fail. Toriyama was most certainly aware of it, though. You're painting Toriyama as being such a complete idiot that he can't even remember a character he created.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Pretending that King Kai isn't aware of such a large powerful being is rediculous.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c008/6.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v33/c008/7.html

As proven there, it is indeed possible for King Kai to overlook characters stronger than Frieza.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Freeza was the most powerful in the Universe. This is not debatable. The most credible character to make that easement said it himself: King Kai.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, King Kai wasn't aware of Buu.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If you ask the King Cold fanboys here, they'll tell you it's beacuse Toriyama hadn't created him yet. 😬

Secondly, the "Toriyama hadn't created him yet" part is true, like it or not. If it wasn't, King Kai here would not have declared Frieza "dead"...

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/dragon_ball/v28/c328/

He would have detected the remains of Frieza drifting somewhere in space after Namek's explosion, but the continuation of the series after the Namek saga with Frieza still being alive made King Kai look like a fool instead.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You aren't very smart if you don't see the difference betwen King Cold saying it and an underling saying to King Cold's face.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was right. Just about everyone else was wrong. It feels nice to pwn more than one person at once. This is the internetz....serious business.

Christ, it's like watching a little kid close his eyes, cup his ears and stomp the ground when people try to tell this guy the facts....

Seriously, this is why I had to stop arguing with Dadudemon in the Kenpachi thread, intelligent... or hell, even common sense based arguments are completely lost on him, AND, he's oblivious so he can carry on endlessly.

I mean.. wtf... he really just tried to pass off a semantic argument for Ki being different from overall power in DBZ? HA!

Originally posted by dadudemon
I read your damn post. Stop pretending it's some earth shattering revelation. You aren't very smart if you don't see the difference betwen King Cold saying it and an underling saying to King Cold's face.

Um lol, exactly. No way? WTF? You concede? 😱

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was right. Just about everyone else was wrong. It feels nice to pwn more than one person at once. This is the internetz....serious business.

This kind of "I'm always right, everyone else is wrong" thing has been happening your whole life hasn't it? By far the most egotistical person I've encountered on these boards. Take a hint 😱

Originally posted by dadudemon

We've been over this already. Get over it.

You were wrong.

Deal with it.

Shut Up 😉

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was right. Just about everyone else was wrong. It feels nice to pwn more than one person at once. This is the internetz....serious business.

You need some cream with that butthurt bro?

Stamping like an infantile child and declaring yourself the leetz winRAR isn't how you actually win a debate, a concept that is no doubt lost on you.

You were wrong, concede.

ease up off my boy dadudemon

I admire your loyalty PG, but overall misdirected and undeserved loyalty.

Plus he brought it upon himself. Act like a jerk (and be wrong at the same time), and get treated like one.

Just wait, he will one-up his ego level in his next post.

There is one thing I'd like to mention over this whole "Frieza/Cold" business...if we look at the the entire family, it's pretty clear that both Frieza and Cooler were spoiled brats that got to brag about whatever they chose, within reason. It then stands that King Cold wouldn't be very upset about allowing his own son a bit of pre-battle gloating after just being rebuilt, yes? That doesn't mean Frieza is stronger than Cold at all, he's just trying to build his self-esteem.

Lol, weird concept, eh, but it makes sense, don't you guys think?

Originally posted by jinzin
Christ, it's like watching a little kid close his eyes, cup his ears and stomp the ground when people try to tell this guy the facts....

Seriously, this is why I had to stop arguing with Dadudemon in the Kenpachi thread, intelligent... or hell, even common sense based arguments are completely lost on him, AND, he's oblivious so he can carry on endlessly.

I mean.. wtf... he really just tried to pass off a semantic argument for Ki being different from overall power in DBZ? HA!

1. Everyone here is wrong. I proved it. They are closing their eyes, cupping their ears, and stomping their feet. I've been wrong before and admitted it. This time, I've provided more than enough evidence to be correct in both the anime and manga. They still won't listen. They are using excuses like "Toriyama hadn't created him yet!" As if Toriyama forgot all about his characters. It was never said that King Cold was the strongest in the universe. Never. Ever. Ever. It was never said that he was stronger than Frieza. Never. Ever. All they have is one line indicating a higher Ki.

2. Yeah, I'm obviously a retard because Ki is everything for overall power in DBZ. Oh wait, it isn't. 😬

Originally posted by NemeBro
BAAAAAAAAW!!!!

You need some cream with that butthurt bro?

Stamping like an infantile child and declaring yourself the leetz winRAR isn't how you actually win a debate, a concept that is no doubt lost on you.

You were wrong, concede.

You were wrong. I proved it. Concede. 😄

Originally posted by Placidity
Um lol, exactly. No way? WTF? You concede? 😱

K.

Originally posted by Placidity
This kind of "I'm always right, everyone else is wrong" thing has been happening your whole life hasn't it? By far the most egotistical person I've encountered on these boards. Take a hint 😱

Here's the problem: there's other worse on these boards. You're a good example. After I proved that pound force existed, you never once said "oh, wait, you're right. My bad." Instead, you continued to troll, just like now.

I've been wrong in the past and admitted it. You continue to try to make things personal, though.

If it's any help, I apologize for whatever I said to you to make you pissed off.

Originally posted by Placidity
You were wrong.

Deal with it.

Shut Up 😉

I was right. I dealt with it.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
There is one thing I'd like to mention over this whole "Frieza/Cold" business...if we look at the the entire family, it's pretty clear that both Frieza and Cooler were spoiled brats that got to brag about whatever they chose, within reason. It then stands that King Cold wouldn't be very upset about allowing his own son a bit of pre-battle gloating after just being rebuilt, yes? That doesn't mean Frieza is stronger than Cold at all, he's just trying to build his self-esteem.

Lol, weird concept, eh, but it makes sense, don't you guys think?

Sure, I'll buy that.

But now we have to reconcile Vegeta saying Frieza was the strongest, Frieza's underlings saying he was the strongest, King Kai saying he was the strongest, etc. If we can reconcile that, then I'll buy your explanation for Frieza getting to say he's the strongest, but only for the manga, not the anime. In the anime, Frieza was, undoubtedly, the strongest.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
ease up off my boy dadudemon

You the man, Pycho. 😄

Wasn't there an instance when Vegeta was in the presence of both Frieze and King Cold before Frieza was defeated? I thought I had seen one episode where it had happened. I don't recall Frieza ever trying to sass his pop, though he did give a smack to Vegeta, I think. Seriously, as arrogant as the children were, and if the apple doesn't fall far from the tree (which has more or less been proven correct via personality traits), then King Cold would have to be so full up on himself that he wouldn't feel any need to gloat about his strength unless one of his boys got uppity, in which case King Cold had to choke a *****.

All the other Z fighters never even knew about Cold, and Kai probably didn't speak about him because he wasn't an immediate thread, not being with his son on Namek and all. Sure, he's more powerful, but if he's so far away any chance of him making it back to become a threat is practically nil, why bother mentioning him?