Originally posted by -Pr-
daken has pheromones and claws that cut through anything.
He doesnt always use his pheremones and as I pointed out to you before he should be able to hold his own against Daken without his pehermones. He has claws that can cut through anything? So wait a second Punisher's fights with Wolverine were he gets cut by him is PIS now?
Originally posted by -Pr-
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT scenario. also, nightwing is far more skilled than punisher.
You completely missed the point Nightwing doesnt have enhancements. Hes more acrobatic than Punisher and is most likely more skilled than him now. I wouldn't give Nightwing the majority over The Punisher prior to becoming Batman.
Originally posted by -Pr-
maybe to you. i see it as PIS.
I see nothing changed has it? You're still giving me the Punisher vs DCU treatment after i've consistenly backed up my argumnents in debates. Fanboyism has nothing to do with it. I already explained that Remender based current Punisher on classic Punisher. You know that classic Punisher humilated Spiderman and Nightcrawler at the sametime? You know he had Captain America dead to rights after Captain America got him by suprise? The problem is your basing him mainly on Garth Einnis and Mike Baron's most likely. Classic Punisher is a completely different animal. I know because i've done the research its got nothing to do with fanboyism. Hell it would be better to argue that his feats simply aren't enough instead of just fobbing me off.
Its pretty obvious its not PIS because they wanted Punisher to fight super-villains instead of mobsters. Its pretty obvious to somebody doing in-depth reasearch that they would have to increase his potential and look at past verisons of Punisher. There an exception though. Theres a Punisher series in 95-96 were Punisher fights mainly superhumans and yet again he has some of the most impressive feats ever. The problem is that only lasted for about 18 issues and he went back to his normal levels fighting mobsters. The fact of the matter Punisher's potential can change drastically depending on whos writing him and the circumstance.
Edit: In fact in the past Punisher has been classified as being better at h2h than Daredevil. Theres a marvel roleplaying source that put Punisher above DD in h2h skills. I actually did some reasearch and the people that made the roleplaying source actually worked on Marvel Universe. So its clearly PIS if you don't know about Punisher's history.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and what about all the times they've fought each other? those simply get tossed away?
This is a shame. As I told you already Punisher has improved alot. The problem is your classifying all his good feats as PIS and thus not allowing any evidence to be used.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
to take on someone doesn't mean anythingAnti-Venom isn't even trying to fight against him, Punisher is just permanently trying to kill him and fails constantly
Sentry, do I really have to say something about that encounter?
Daken killed him... (he was weakend I'll give him that, so I would say that encounter doesn't count in anyones favor)
I personally call the Spiderman thing PIS (but we already had this more than once)
Not sure about the others had to re-read it though
Yes he can take on these guys but that doesn't mean he will fare well against them, in a comic yes he can beat them (with prep, circumstances etc.) but here it's another thing...
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